Proving God Existence

[bennyboy]

Problem: everything which exists must have a beginning, but infinite regression hurts my brain, so something must have the special power of already existing despite never having been created:
Solution 1: a magic space monkey which IS WHILE NOT BEING did it.
Solution 2: the four psychic winds of Boobledeeboo, which eternally co-create each other, created psychic eddies, which manifest as our universe.
Solution 3: the non-sentient "Divide by Zero" formula converted all numbers to infinity, and back into the form of its non-sentient (and therefore fully mindful) will.
Solution 4: Allah magically exists without having been created, despite the rule that all things must have been created

See the problem? All the specific solutions are just the same process with different imaginary friends executing the impossible. EVEN IF we are disposed to accept the necessity of a philosophical meat-grinder that turns the impossible into the possible, why should we choose yours? The others at least have the benefit of being fun, and of not causing people to crash airplanes into buildings.

Here you presented a weak proof (which is not mine) then refuted it, I agree with you!
Your proof doesn't prove God.

You need to discuss my proof not yours!

Your proof has too many assumptions and givens, which you've custom-designed to arrive at your desired conclusions. This is what is meant by "begging the question."

You talk about comparing moments of time t0, t1, etc. and how they must be discrete and measurable, that they are relative concepts, etc. This accords well with our understanding of deliberate creation: there's an idea about something, then the idea is executed, and then a thing exists which once did not exist. It is precisely time which links the intent, the execution, and the result.

However, you insist that the creation of the universe can be done only through the agency of God, who is infinite and singular, and who creates with deliberate intent despite not being subject to change. Okay, in what sense can he be said to think, or to do things, or to have a result (i.e. EXACTLY "a change in state") without time? Your answer is basically to say that you don't know, but with Allah all is possible. But this is not a statement about reality. It's a statement about how we use words: "With Allah, things mean what they don't mean."

Nobody needs to go into your "proof," because your method for solving it is to invoke the concept of "mystery." But the point of the proof isn't really to explain the universe-- it is to solve the MYSTERY of the existence of the universe. Moving the mystery to another agent does nothing to solve the problem, and so no proof has really been furnished.