RE: Deepak Chopra attacks Skepticism
December 20, 2009 at 2:49 am
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2009 at 2:50 am by theVOID.)
(December 20, 2009 at 2:09 am)Pippy Wrote: Thanks for that
You are crazy, please keep your rose coloured glasses away from me. I have made a few points as to why I dislike modern Pharma, and I think they stand. Argue my points, not you opinion of them. Did Baxter knowingly release HIV tainted material? Did they ship live bird flu virus accidentally (although I have also shown that is is almost impossible for that to be an accident)? Did they or did they not? Should they be held accountable or not?
Nobody ever said they should not be held accountable for neither incompetence nor accident - Did they knowingly ship HIV tainted material? I hope not, is their any proof that it was intentional? No. Did they accidentally ship live bird flu viruses? Again, i hope not, and i have no reason to believe that it was anything more than an accident - but Does it mean they shouldn't be accountable because it was likely an accident? Of course not, it just means that accidents are imminent and while retribution will ensure for the companies who made the mistakes, it is not treated in any where near the same light as intentional malpractice.
Quote:Does the drugging of children make you feel safer? Is it healthy to give them chemical drugs to make them better fit into modern society? I think it is the absolute lowest form of profiteering.
Again it's so black and white right Pip? Of course you are ignoring the fact that only a small minority of children are on behavioral medication and that most of the time it does help. Does it make me feel safer? Of course not, but:
Does it make the children with a violence/hyperactivity problem less violent/hyperactive? Yes.
Is it better than continual punishment for something the child cannot control? Yes
Is it better than doing nothing and letting these disorders escalate? Yes
There is no easy solution, we can either try and intervene with medicine to suppress violent or hyperactive behavior so the children can live relatively normal lives or we can continually punish them to no avail and watch as they continually disrupt, attack, destroy and are sent back for punishment over and over again never being able to fit in, to be civil and behave and continually become more isolated from society.
Quote:Do you agree with the "No medicine, or bad medicine" thing?
What about Good medicine being the overwhelming majority of cases with alarmists such as yourself tainting perception with nightmare cases? Contextually the pharma industry is a very good thing.
Quote: I mean, that comes off as a little crazy to me. Enabling abhorrent behavior from the industry.
You are arguing a strawman, i haven't seen anyone here claim that pharma should not be regulated and accountable.
Quote:Is there a moral imperative to drug children? Is Baxter not breaking the highest of human moral code? As per the article, are not almost every Pharma corp and their subsidiary being dragged through court? I do think there is a positive, in that the courts kind of work. but they need to revoke business charters and also use the billions in settlements to help the victims of the crime.
The more i hear from you the more i am convinced that you have absolutely no sense of context. You cannot consider the bad alone when making these statements, you also need to consider the benefit from having a drug industry in the first place and then compare the overall good against the overall harm to discern whether or not they are truly beneficial for mankind, which they overwhelmingly are, because countless many more people would die in the absence of drugs than they would from side effects.
Quote:I mean bottom line, drugs are bad, aren't they? Especially unnecessary mood altering drugs.
Speak for yourself, i take many mood (more correctly mind) altering drugs and thoroughly enjoy them.
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