(June 15, 2013 at 2:25 am)cato123 Wrote:Thank you. There is a HUGE difference in valuing human rights and the right to claim something and express that claim. It is another to expect others to say "isn't that nice" when they have no evidence for what they are claiming.(June 15, 2013 at 1:39 am)ReasonableRuben Wrote: @Brian37
I have the same experience in talking to my atheist acquaintances. I might make a certain contention, and the reply is almost always "I respect your theism. Why can't you respect my atheism?" As if my disagreeing with them is, in itself, disrespectful. Humbug I say.
Fucking liar. Almost always? You don't many atheists, do you?
Atheists, almost always, don't respect your theism; they respect your right to have whatever dicked up belief you hold. Huge fucking difference.
That is why I hate the word "respect". I don't hold positions I do not value. If I value a position I hold that position. I can value someone as a friend without valuing every sentence they may utter. I think it shows insecurity to expect someone not to question you. I think it shows intellectual courage to consider that you may be wrong. I hate people who fear my ridicule and blasphemy. I value people more who even if they keep their position, who do not fear me out of childish insecurity.
I don't expect a theist to value my atheism, that is stupid, if they valued my atheism they would be an atheist. I do however don't like it when they go around making claims, and when I say, "that is not true" or "bullshit" they childishly say "YOU HATE ME" or "SHUT UP"
When most people use the word "respect" what they really want is the submission of the subordinate. This is an evolutionary trait not just in humans. But the alpha male in any given species does not like the help of a subordinate or a challenge by a subordinate.
Religion and god belief depends on buying first and then retrofitting after the fact. And it always takes a questioner to drag humanity into the future. I am not going to filter my language or remain silent because a theist is too lazy to look in the mirror. It does not mean I hate them, it merely means I refuse to coddle their insecurities. If someone thinks they have the truth then have the balls to defend your claim intellectually, don't run from it or play victim or demand taboos or cry political correctness. That will make me hate you.
With me, and I only speak for me. The theist who responds to me has a choice, debate and take the heat, or don't respond. But do not complain if you chose to debate me.