Proving God Existence

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Even if your claims are true they prove god cannot have a conscious because he has no time or processes in which to think, so he could not have decided to create the universe before time existed

No, he can, because this will be the first event
You see; using the word "Before" can only be applied if you have more than one event (as you just did: 1-Descision 2-Creation)

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So what you are saying is there was an event before creation of the universe? God deciding to create the universe was the first event and not the actual creation of the universe? If so then how did god decide to start time before time started? How did he decide to start time while being outside of time? He would have had no time in which to make this decision.

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Your claims of what happens outside of space and time cannot be verified anyway because no scientist knows what happens outside of our space and time.

you are mixing logic with science!

I'm not at all, it is illogical, unscientific, whatever way you want to phrase it, to assume that if two entities exist outside of our time and space that time will be created because the two things will relate to one another.

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I just want to try and show to you how mixed up you are.
I'll give you a list of things which are logically impossible then next to them I'll tell you why they are impossible.

God has conscious fluid thought and can make decisions - God is outside of time, he has no fluid inner moving parts.

God has a son which he sent down to earth, while at the same time as being outside of our space and time - Impossible since god is outside of space and time.

Ok so when I ask you, how does god do the first example you say "We cannot understand how"
Ok so you ask a christian how does he do the second example they say "We cannot understand how"
It's exactly the same thing, not one bit of difference at all in the slightest. You are just making the same unsubstantiated claim as a christian, and every other religion for that matter.