RE: Proving God Existence
June 15, 2013 at 11:56 am
(This post was last modified: June 15, 2013 at 12:01 pm by paulpablo.)
Quote: Quote: If so then how did god decide to start time before time started? How did he decide to start time while being outside of time? He would have had no time in which to make this decision.
You have tried so many times to use this trick,
Asking Why doesn't prove or refute anything
It isn't a trick, I know a lot of Muslims and atheists see this type of thread as a type of football match, atheists vs Muslims who can score the most points or make the other look like a dick but I'm not doing that.
You fact is you say your proof is based on axioms, concepts which we have already defined as true.
Decisions, thought processes, or processes in general as a definition take some time, god did this while according to you being outside of time.
This is illogical and a paradox.
You can also say it is a mystery, a mystery that god can do this even though it is illogical, but then if you allow that then you may aswell allow any number of illogical mysteries, god having a son, god turning himself into a man and coming to earth while at the same time as being outside of the universe, just as plausible as god creating a flood or getting a virgin pregnant while being outside of the universe.
Quote: Ok so you ask a christian how does he do the second example they say "We cannot understand how"
It's exactly the same thing, not one bit of difference at all in the slightest. You are just making the same unsubstantiated claim as a christian, and every other religion for that matter.
It is not the something, let me ask you what is the meaning of Son?
The meaning of son as far as the christians are concerned I think means to be divine, god being on earth.
Quote: I'm not at all, it is illogical, unscientific, whatever way you want to phrase it, to assume that if two entities exist outside of our time and space that time will be created because the two things will relate to one another.
Time is not created, it will simply apply
Time is a concept or relation between two events
Time itself is not a thing to exist, however events can exist as actions from a deity.
So then two gods can exist outside of time as long as one of them doesn't have any actions?
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