(June 18, 2013 at 4:43 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:If God's existence is proved to him, Whateverist is no longer an atheist. Whateverist, is this true?(June 15, 2013 at 10:03 am)whateverist Wrote: 1) Time has the advantage over god in this.1) God existence is proved to you
2) God is a concept which relates the idea of a person to the idea of megalomania.
3) God too is not a thing to exist, however events and everything we know can be thought of as having been ordained by an all powerful god.
(June 18, 2013 at 4:43 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: 2) Non-existence of God is just a refuted ConceptAsserting it doesn't make it so.
(June 18, 2013 at 4:43 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: 3) God will put you in hell for not worshiping himThat sounds like a very human and petty motivation for a unique being.
(June 18, 2013 at 4:43 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I think my words is too professional for common people to understand; my professors told me before that I take what I understand as a fact without explaining it enough.
An alternative explanation is that we understand you perfectly, but you're wrong.
(June 18, 2013 at 4:43 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Let me rephrase it again.
Events had a start
Relations between events also had a start
so a first event (only one) is a must
An initiator for that event must exist
The only part of your argument that isn't a premise is the second line. Even your conclusion is just another premise, since it doesn't follow from the line above it (you haven't proven that a first event must have an initiator). And while your first two lines aren't entirely without merit, they are unproven. The stipulation for only one first event rules out multiple simultaneous first events for no reason I can see except multiple first events are inconvenient to the point you want to make.