(December 22, 2009 at 9:44 am)fr0d0 Wrote: 'Uniqueness' might be your own strawman, but what about spiritual health, spirituality, God, gods, Angels, anti superstition, demons, morals, soul ...religion is prescriptive & descriptive. It 'achieves' fulfilling humans. It's not a subject where you'd expect breakthrough's and innovations. Religious truths are well established.. nothing much new is discovered, although it's always open to improvements. Science on the other hand is very young in places. New discoveries are made all the time. Looking at it long term the scale of scientific discovery will reach a state were there isn't much left to discover.. will that mean it's less valid? Hopefully not.That's new, labeling a question a priori as strawman. Do you mean there are questions you don't wanna hear about? Just tell me, frød.
1) spiritual health...as in psychiatry, psychology, reverence of nature? You can get secular counselling these days you know? So, not unique to religion. Read Comte-Sponville about it.
2) sprituality....hah, ha, looks like a double entry to me to pimp the list
3) God, gods, Angels, demons, ...so religion is useful for information on gods, angels and other stuff that religion has fantasized about...true it has some use as a body of fairy tales but not uniquely and still pathetic
4) anti superstition...nice one, generally a religion defines superstition as that what the other religions do, but they provide no across all religions verifiable criterion. Let alone a test to show that religion is not superstition itself
5) morals....definitely not unique to religion, certainly not coherent and consistent across religions, and arguable religion is a source of bad habits like fundamentalism
6) soul...you still owe me a definition that shows in what way soul is different from 'identity', don't worry I can be very patient
7)... yeah sure, a long list of religious goodies that are unique to religion and a benefit for the world
"Fulfillment"....not unique to religion, also there are a lot of atheists around testifying of the fact how unfulfilling their life as a religious person has been.
"Religious truths are well established.. nothing much new is discovered, although it's always open to improvements." That's an understatement since an agreed on method for improvement is totally absent in religion, it sticks to dogma and if opinions collide the result is most always a new branch on the gigantic tree of all religious creeds. The only change I see is from an authoritative institute with prescriptive interpretation to a personal a la carte interpretation (there is a New Age snack of the day I can highly recommend to you) of religious dogma. Don't know if that is progress.
"It's not a subject where you'd expect breakthrough's and innovations." Tell me about it. It lags behind general educated opinion several centuries.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0