(June 19, 2013 at 8:29 pm)smax Wrote: There's nothing logically sound about your position, nor is there anything appealing about it.
It’s appealing because it is logically sound.
Quote:So then it is your position that you are arguing with someone who is perfectly carrying out the will of god.
His efficacious will yes, but not His decreed will. Do you have an actual proof to demonstrate that you have a free will or are you conceding you cannot prove you in fact do?
Quote: What was that again about your position being logically sound?
It is; there’s nothing logically unsound about my position.
Quote:I haven't misrepresented it, I've made absolutely no attempt to represent it at all.
Sure you have, you claimed that Calvinists believe that everyone is a vessel prepared for wrath, which is not true at all; God’s elect are vessels prepared for mercy (Romans 9). You also seem to be completely ignorant of how Calvinists view God’s wills, which is surprising for someone claiming to have once been a Calvinist.
Quote: I've mocked it to a degree to expose how meaningless and flawed it is, but I'd hardly call that a representation.
You’ve mocked a misrepresentation of it, which is in itself meaningless and a sign of positional weakness.
Quote: Anyway, you should really stop acting as if you are part of some extremely complicated version of Christianity.
It’s not too complicated for most to understand, only apparently for you.
Quote: Some are chosen for destruction, some for mercy. It's not that complicated:
Now are you trying to represent Calvinism?
Quote:I don't have those numbers, but I'd be surprised if that were true. Most Christians (theologians or not) are turned off by Calvanism. Just ask a few, they'll tell you.
What most Christians believe about Calvinism is irrelevant; it has no bearing on what the Bible actually teaches.