RE: Positive Atheism
December 23, 2009 at 5:25 am
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2009 at 5:58 am by Purple Rabbit.)
(December 23, 2009 at 4:21 am)tackattack Wrote:If you don't want to debate, then don't come here to debate. Which concept logic do you mean? I have no clue what you're talking about. Am I asking too much of you if I ask you to consider the possibility that explanation necessitates god(s)?(December 23, 2009 at 3:58 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote:I won't participate in your circular stolen concept logic.(December 23, 2009 at 3:26 am)tackattack Wrote: Here are some things which come to mind for me.Why not simply the other way 'round: the need for explanation necessitated god(s)?
Mythos. God necessatated explaining
tackattack Wrote:In our universe cause preempts effect. I have stated elswhere that God is the cause therefore the explaination is the effect.This is pure contradiction. If in our universe cause preempts effects (which remains to be seen since uncaused effects like virtual particle creation have been shown to exist) and god is the cause than god has to be part of the universe he preempts. This clearly is circular reasoning which you have shown to clearly and utterly abhor. But luckily for you your "stating elsewhere" does not make things true. So you always have the possibility to rephrase your claim.
tackattack Wrote:How could you even use the "God of the Gaps" fallacy without God first having a definition.I'm not defining any god, just trying to understand what the hack you mean by it. Shall we abolish use of the words god, divine and the like?
tackattack Wrote:So we started without morality and without morality means evolution? Makes no sense to me. Does evolution prohibit the development of morality in any way? So evolution has stopped now?(December 23, 2009 at 3:58 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote:Yes. Evolution.tackattack Wrote:That necessated a higher level of morality, defining moral terpitude.So did we start without any morality? And what exactly would that mean?
tackattack Wrote:I try to stip out as much humanity from the divine as possible. However for reference (since the bibele is used against me a lot) I'll keep those pages in there.I'm wondering what other shit you keep for reference.
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tackattack Wrote:Are you implying that mormonism is on the forefront of women rights? Are Latter Day Saints emancipated? The world must be coming to an end real soon.(December 23, 2009 at 3:58 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote: Some parts of christianity has partly followed growing consensus on women's rights, but it is gross revisionistic crap to suggest that christianity has been on the forefront of that.I wasn't aware we were limiting the conversation to Christianity. I thought the question was contributions of religion. For lack of clarity I'll omit that from the list and replace with ... long standing, strong, self-sustaining communities and site mormonism.
(December 23, 2009 at 4:21 am)tackattack Wrote: How could you even use the "God of the Gaps" fallacy without God first having a definition.I would call it a god of the gaps syndrome. Usually the definition of god is adapted to fit the gaps, not the other way around. If we had an accurate definition first it might be testable to the gaps. A clear case of redefinition by christians of the definition is the following:
First according to christians in the middle ages, the bible is the literal word of god, so in a sense part of the definition of god. In centuries before that time the highest clerical authorities had deduced that this could only mean that the earth was at the center of the universe, but later they had to revamp the definition of god to be able to abandon this and fit god in the gap that was left.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0