RE: Proving God Existence
June 22, 2013 at 10:10 am
(This post was last modified: June 22, 2013 at 10:14 am by bennyboy.)
Okay, since you keep asking for specifics, let me point out the obvious. Your proof fails at the definition of mutually exclusive sets. When you do this, arriving at the conclusion that they are mutually exclusive defines (literally) the process of begging the question.
You are demanding that Set 1 be finite, and Set 2 be infinite. You then go on with a red herring/strawman about whether Set 1 is infinite (it can't be, because you've defined it not to be). You conclude that since Set 1 is finite, Set 2, which you've defined as infinite, cannot be correct.
However, if you reverse the order, switching the definitions of Set 1 and Set 2, you get:
Set 1: All Statuses separated from (1/1/2000 00:00:00) by an infinite number of seconds
S1= {U(1), U(2), ….}, S2={U(-∞), U(-∞+1), U(-∞+2),….}
Set 2: All Statuses separated from (1/1/2000 00:00:00) by a finite number of seconds
And your "options" are:
1. S1 = ɸ (i.e. it is empty); false, since something infinite can't be empty, by definition
2. S1 has finite no. of elements; false, by definition
3. S1 is infinite and S2≠ɸ; false, by definition (you aren't allowing finite subsets of your infinite set)
4. S1≠ɸ & S2= ɸ; which is the only possibly option, or would be if it wasn't a violation of a simple understanding of what sets are.
Therefore, the universe is infinite, and since it has no starting point, it could not have been created by anything. Therefore, a creative God is false.
See? This is not an actual proof. It's just throwing incompatible premises together, and guiding the order of operations to choose which one I want to appear "true."
The reality is that there is ONE set for time: reality. You don't get to define an infinite set and say that it is empty because it is finite. If it is finite, it's not empty-- it's finite. Here is the proper number of sets:
S1 = all Statuses separated from (1/1/2000 00:00:00) by seconds, where S1 must have at least three members (two to establish a timeframe, and one which is being measured).
This single, logically correct, set has nothing to say with whether God might/might not exist.
As an aside: if you have to work this hard to make something seem "true," you might want to consider the likely possibility that it is not.
You are demanding that Set 1 be finite, and Set 2 be infinite. You then go on with a red herring/strawman about whether Set 1 is infinite (it can't be, because you've defined it not to be). You conclude that since Set 1 is finite, Set 2, which you've defined as infinite, cannot be correct.
However, if you reverse the order, switching the definitions of Set 1 and Set 2, you get:
Set 1: All Statuses separated from (1/1/2000 00:00:00) by an infinite number of seconds
S1= {U(1), U(2), ….}, S2={U(-∞), U(-∞+1), U(-∞+2),….}
Set 2: All Statuses separated from (1/1/2000 00:00:00) by a finite number of seconds
And your "options" are:
1. S1 = ɸ (i.e. it is empty); false, since something infinite can't be empty, by definition
2. S1 has finite no. of elements; false, by definition
3. S1 is infinite and S2≠ɸ; false, by definition (you aren't allowing finite subsets of your infinite set)
4. S1≠ɸ & S2= ɸ; which is the only possibly option, or would be if it wasn't a violation of a simple understanding of what sets are.
Therefore, the universe is infinite, and since it has no starting point, it could not have been created by anything. Therefore, a creative God is false.
See? This is not an actual proof. It's just throwing incompatible premises together, and guiding the order of operations to choose which one I want to appear "true."
The reality is that there is ONE set for time: reality. You don't get to define an infinite set and say that it is empty because it is finite. If it is finite, it's not empty-- it's finite. Here is the proper number of sets:
S1 = all Statuses separated from (1/1/2000 00:00:00) by seconds, where S1 must have at least three members (two to establish a timeframe, and one which is being measured).
This single, logically correct, set has nothing to say with whether God might/might not exist.
As an aside: if you have to work this hard to make something seem "true," you might want to consider the likely possibility that it is not.
