Childhood indoctrination

[littleendian]

You are in Germany? Do you understand the soil under your feet? The animals and humans that have died over the centuries to produce the soil that you currently have? What chemicals do your market gardeners use? They will at least have to use Bacillus thuringiensis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacillus_thuringiensis as a pesticide.

Okay, you got me here, I can't tell you what they use, only that it's not made from fossil oil or similar, limited ressources. I'm not claiming we can eliminate our footprint on the plant, only that we can tread a little lighter.

The fact that the majority of your organic crops are also genetically modified to suit Germany's climate is another issue.

Why is that an issue? While I'm not a fan of doing whatever just because science allows us to do it, I'm not denouncing the use of technology to optimize food production.

Your utopian view whilst admirable is just plain naive, childish and in the realms of fantasy. There is no way you can feed your own let alone the planet from strictly organic practices.... the numbers are too high.

You will have to provide some facts, actual numbers rather than guesswork, to back that claim up, until then the question remains open. However I think that assuming that yes, we can feed everyone on organic and relatively local crops, is the better assumption for now, simply because environmentally everything else is just not sustainable (barring some miracle technologies which don't seem to be around the corner today).

Even for little old Germany. The problem is transport and storage even for little old Germany alone. But what about the other countries? This is also a stumbling block you seem to blithely ignore. You have green houses? Really? How organic is that?

I don't want to ignore the issue that other countries might have different issues, that's why I stated above that I'll confine my argument to central Europe for now, which is where I live and where these problems exist and where I believe a real solution is feasible if people chose to spend a little less on flat screen tellies and more on proper food.

You have heard of the Irish potato famine?

Yes, I assume your point is food security, and it's a valid concern, but there are similar problems with animal agriculture as well, there are diseases (mad cows disease being one of them) which could theoretically affect food security there as well, so in the present argument that is a zero-sum game.