From atheism to tentative agnosticism

[Inigo]

Then like I said, expect your personal definitions and conclusions drawn from them to generate a lot of friction, since it's always appreciated when someone comes along and tells us what we do and don't believe. Consider it a prophecy, if you like. That's all you need to know, 'mate'.

I haven't told you what you do and don't believe. Believe what you want. However, if you want to assess someone's view you need to go with their definitions not your own barmy ones.

So, when I say that morality seems incompatible with atheism I mean that morality is incompatible with the non-existence of a god. The fact you mean by 'atheism' 'dining table' is neither here nor there.

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You seem to underestimate humanity. Mankind was obviously perfectly capable of figuring out morality on his own without any type of special instruction.

Really? Morality's been figured out? When? The scene in contemporary metaethics (that part of ethics concerned with figuring out what morality is) is not one of consensus, but heated debate between various positions, each one of which seems to have flaws greater than its merits.

My point, which you don't really seem to be addressing, is that real instructions require an instructor. Or seem to. Instructions can't just exist all by themselves. (or at least, the idea seems incoherent to me)