RE: Determinism Is Self Defeating
July 1, 2013 at 9:06 pm
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2013 at 9:14 pm by bennyboy.)
@Koolay
I'm not a big fan of determinism either, but I think your remedy for it is too simple-- because the intent or implied belief of the questioner is irrelevant to the issue of whether they could have done otherwise.
I disagree. Not only is determinism unproven, it is unprovable. You must prove that given a particular state of the universe at time t, there is only one possible outcome for time t+1.
Show me the evidence that "things could not have gone differently than they have." You cannot. What you have is not a scientific conclusion, but a philosophical assumption made on the basis that it accords with what we are used to thinking about in science.
I'm not a big fan of determinism either, but I think your remedy for it is too simple-- because the intent or implied belief of the questioner is irrelevant to the issue of whether they could have done otherwise.
(July 1, 2013 at 7:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Determinism stands as the only position -in evidence- no matter how shitty you or I think it is, and no matter what you think people might "get away with".
I disagree. Not only is determinism unproven, it is unprovable. You must prove that given a particular state of the universe at time t, there is only one possible outcome for time t+1.
Show me the evidence that "things could not have gone differently than they have." You cannot. What you have is not a scientific conclusion, but a philosophical assumption made on the basis that it accords with what we are used to thinking about in science.
