RE: Determinism Is Self Defeating
July 4, 2013 at 6:52 pm
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2013 at 6:58 pm by simplexity.)
(July 4, 2013 at 6:12 pm)Koolay Wrote:I still don't think you understand determinism, because deterministically, you will or will not change your mind based on the argument given. Cause and effect. He doesn't have the free will to not try to change your mind. Causes leading up to this point have already brought that about. Your mind will change based on the the preceding effect or it won't based on the makeup of your mind. Complicated. I think not.(July 4, 2013 at 9:51 am)Red Celt Wrote: Free will is a delusion. A very attractive delusion, but a delusion nonetheless. Of course, we don't like the idea that everything we do was pre-determined as an inevitability at the point of the Big Bang... but if you can't accept that conclusion, you'll have to find a source for your alleged free will.Right but whatever you are saying right now is to convince people to change their minds for determinism, so you are a thousand times more illogical than anyone that believes in free will by your own definition.
We are but billiard balls rolling across a green baize - magnified by several levels of complexity. As a materialist, I'd like to see some evidence of the ghost that alters the paths of those balls.
Free will still conceptually works in a deterministic universe. Assume I have the freedom to act according to my own will. This will the makeup of my mind. If other people or the environments deterministic nature intervenes and stops me from acting according to the determinations of my own wiring, then those things have taken away my free will. Otherwise I still have free will to act according to the laws of nature so far one has to abide by.
