Determinism Is Self Defeating

[genkaus]

Right but whatever you are saying right now is to convince people to change their minds for determinism, so you are a thousand times more illogical than anyone that believes in free will by your own definition.

Only if he believes people changing their minds is a matter of choice - which he has in no way indicated is the case.

Doesn't that make you way more illogical than me then? I believe in free will, so I have an actual reason for trying to convince people to accept the position. But you think people are like rocks, so you don't actually have a reason for interacting with anyone, you failed your own test of logic.

If you know I am a rock, what are you doing talking to that rock? Surely you are wasting your own time and my time.

You do realize that living in a deterministic universe doesn't automatically make people rocks, right?

Even if your utterly ridiculous conception of determinism was true, his position would still be logical. The reason for his trying convince others to accept his position is that due to the past events of his life, he is hardwired to do so. He is hard-wired to try to change your wiring through debate and discussion so that your position closely matches his.

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My evidence is simple, by the sheer fact that people are trying to convince me that determinism is true is testament to the fact that they themselves accept that I have choices. They do the argument for me.

As said before, that is ridiculous. As demonstrated earlier, I can try to convince you without accepting that you have a choice in the matter.

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Want an argument for the compatibility of free will and determinism? Here's one (it is very simple)

1. Determinism is true
2. We have free will.
3. Free will is compatible with determinism

Given that both 1 .and 2. are yet to be proven - no.