RE: On Belief in God X
July 8, 2013 at 12:37 am
(This post was last modified: July 8, 2013 at 12:43 am by FallentoReason.)
(July 7, 2013 at 8:08 pm)genkaus Wrote:(July 7, 2013 at 7:46 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Absolutely, but as I briefly said in the OP, the truthfulness of the belief is irrelevant. As far as the believer is concerned, they have experiential justification for their belief. This undermines any sort of comparison between them and other royal flush holders. From *their* perspective, everyone else is cheating and they know because they have this experiential justification with the hand they possess.
Then he should not be afraid to have his experiential justification tested. Show us the royal flush and we'll believe you.
How do we translate that to the real world? Open his brains up, wire it up to a tv, press play and experience what they experienced? That's the unfortunate problem.. just like we can't see other players' hands in a game of poker, we can't experience what someone else has experienced.
(July 7, 2013 at 9:44 pm)Ryantology Wrote:(July 7, 2013 at 8:08 pm)genkaus Wrote: Then he should not be afraid to have his experiential justification tested. Show us the royal flush and we'll believe you.
This.
In fact, it's worse. We have a game in which every player claiming to hold a royal flush (which necessarily means that all but four of them are certainly lying) but none are willing to show their hands,
In the real world, they *can't* show their "hand". The best they can do is describe to you what that "hand" looks like.
Quote:insisting that they win this hand unless somebody proves that their hand is not a royal flush.
I think this is actually the only route that would yield better results. Maybe they need an explanation of *what* a royal flush is! Something or other would do the job of undermining their experiential justification and render it trivial, useless, a delusion in such a way that they would undergo internal reflection between their updated metaphysics of a royal flush and what they percieve(d) and see that there's conflict.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle