RE: On Belief in God X
July 8, 2013 at 12:57 pm
(This post was last modified: July 8, 2013 at 1:00 pm by genkaus.)
(July 8, 2013 at 12:37 am)FallentoReason Wrote: How do we translate that to the real world? Open his brains up, wire it up to a tv, press play and experience what they experienced? That's the unfortunate problem.. just like we can't see other players' hands in a game of poker, we can't experience what someone else has experienced.
That's for him to figure out. He's the trying to win the pot using his supposed royal flush.
So, I'm in this poker game where the other five players are all claiming to have a royal flush but none of them can show his hand. Well, I happen to have a three of a kind, but based on probability and the sheer impossibility, I'd say that all of them are lying. So I go all in and call. If a single one of them is right and shows his hand, he'll get the pot. But if all of them keep insisting that they have the royal flush, but can't show their hands and I just need to have faith - well, screw them. I'm taking the pot.
(July 8, 2013 at 12:37 am)FallentoReason Wrote: In the real world, they *can't* show their "hand". The best they can do is describe to you what that "hand" looks like.
Not good enough. To win, they need to show their hand or shut up.
(July 8, 2013 at 12:37 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I think this is actually the only route that would yield better results. Maybe they need an explanation of *what* a royal flush is! Something or other would do the job of undermining their experiential justification and render it trivial, useless, a delusion in such a way that they would undergo internal reflection between their updated metaphysics of a royal flush and what they percieve(d) and see that there's conflict.
If they don't know what royal flush is or if they are redefining it in a way contrary to the rules of poker, then they have no business playing the in the first place. The rules of a rational debate and of poker have already been established. You try to change them mid-way through, you get kicked out.
(July 8, 2013 at 9:47 am)FallentoReason Wrote: "I know I have a royal flush because I can seeeee my hand".
Who has more authority to comment on that? The players around the table or the guy holding the hand?
There doesn't need to be an authority - that's the point. Even if he does have a royal flush, we still don't need to take his word for it. In fact, most of the time, we wouldn't take his word for it.
