Determinism Is Self Defeating

[Red Celt]

It's really not complex guys.

Determinists fail their own test of logic. People that believe in Free Will do not.

Their next response is typically "Well, we are trying to change your mind, not because we recognise you have free will, but that we are programmed to try and change your mind" Well, that's a pretty good cop out for failing your own test of logic by creating a concept unbound by reason or evidence.

If determinism is self admittedly impossible to confirm or deny by the determinist, why even bother talking about it then? Should we have these conversations about everything we imagine but can never verify? "In another universe that we can never get to, all planets are ontop of a giant floating turtle. Discuss."

Koolay, do you still have the boxes that your PC and assorted peripherals came in? If so, unplug everything and put them all back in their various boxes. Take them all back to where you bought them and leave them on the Returns Desk with a post-it note attached:-

"Sorry, but I'm too fucking stupid to be allowed anywhere near the internet."

Then go back home and keep that bubble of stupidity that you inhabit very clearly confined to your more immediate surroundings.

Y'welcome.