(July 12, 2013 at 2:48 am)Consilius Wrote: The universe is a material, finite thing with a cause, or an origin if you will, as everything else does. The universe is not eternal, as it will one day cease to exist.
And you can demonstrate either of these points to be true... how?
Quote: How it did it come into existence is simply a question with an answer. An answer we have the human desire to find out.
Or if it came into existence. Don't discount the honest possibilities just because they don't fit into your presuppositions.
Quote:The universe cannot exist unquestionably. We must question everything. I think I have heard an answer that is logically justified.
And I see from your replies thus far that you are very willing to question the answer you've arrived at.

Quote:The universe came from something.
How do you know?
Quote:This thing was good, invisible, unchanging, and is not limited by time and space. It is also immensely powerful, if not all-powerful.
How do you know?
Quote:This theory is not unprecedented. A nomadic people in the Middle East said the same.
So what?
Quote: Note that I did not attach anything else in the Bible to my claims.
Yeah, because that would be unreasonable.

Quote:These people worshipped a thing that brought the universe into being. It was also good, did not change, and was eternally omnipotent.
For that reason, I believe them to have been right.
For what reason? You haven't given one. You've asserted your beliefs about the universe, that's all. You've made the claim, you haven't given your justification for it at all.
Unless you actually think that because ancient middle eastern tribes worshiped something, it's therefore true. I really hope that wasn't the reason you were thinking of.
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