Determinism Is Self Defeating

[genkaus]

It's really not complex guys.

Determinists fail their own test of logic. People that believe in Free Will do not.

Their next response is typically "Well, we are trying to change your mind, not because we recognise you have free will, but that we are programmed to try and change your mind" Well, that's a pretty good cop out for failing your own test of logic by creating a concept unbound by reason or evidence.

If determinism is self admittedly impossible to confirm or deny by the determinist, why even bother talking about it then? Should we have these conversations about everything we imagine but can never verify? "In another universe that we can never get to, all planets are ontop of a giant floating turtle. Discuss."

Here is undeniable proof of determinism right here.

If humans had free-will, then Koolay having read all the logical refutations of his inane argument as well as how the debate had gone beyond that level and would've chosen to come up with a better argument.

Instead, he is simply following his programming that condemns him to be stupid and reposting the old refuted argument once again 13 pages later. What else could it be other than determinism at play.