Determinism Is Self Defeating

[bennyboy]

Determinists fail their own test of logic. People that believe in Free Will do not.

Can you change the course of the universe and whatever its ultimate end will be?

I think not.

In the end, the universe will be whatever it is already destined to be, regardless of what you think, feel or want.

Sure you might think you can change your own destiny. But whatever you do, one could always claim you were destined to do that. And you can argue that point. But in terms of the universe, you can't make that same argument as you can't do anything about the fate of the universe.

I'm very interested in this argument you're making; it kind of feels like the extension of the statistical combination of an active QM world into the apparent solid stability of a rock. I'm kind of divided between that statistical approach, and a kind of butterfly effect-- wherein EVERY willful act, no matter how tiny, could potentially cascade up into bigger changes-- maybe a species that spreads throughout galaxies and uses future technology to prevent them from spreading apart.

Question: if QM particles come from "empty" space, is there any chance that they can be deliberately drawn from empty space, thereby preventing the cold death of the universe?

/uneducated sci-fi fantasy about how free will saves the universe.