RE: Positive Atheism
December 30, 2009 at 6:43 pm
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2009 at 7:03 pm by TruthWorthy.)
(December 30, 2009 at 12:55 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Why do you write god like "god? I thought it was a typo but every instance of god in your post is written that way. Curiousor and curiousor.
Because I can say with all my might there isn't a god in reality (that which can be seen, etc) only when it comes to this "other place" which may or may not exist I have no evidence. I'm annoyed that "god" doesn't need a supporting argument based in reality, just that "he's there" needs to be disproved.
(December 30, 2009 at 1:04 pm)Tiberius Wrote:I know agnosticm is a possibility. When something's unknown, anything can be made up. The difference being that I don't accept "god as a probable answer. When hypothesizing, why would I come to accept the least likely explanation to another things cause without anything to support that?(December 30, 2009 at 8:21 am)TruthWorthy Wrote: Yeah, positive atheism is logical. Only imaginary ideas keep the "god argument going.If you think positive atheism is logical, then you haven't accepted agnosticism's possibility. The two are incompatible.
btw "god exists" is not a logical statement, belief in "god is less logical than dismissing a false premise. That's my opinion.
(December 30, 2009 at 3:08 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote:Why shouldn't deductive reasoning be enough?(December 30, 2009 at 3:01 pm)Tiberius Wrote: We can be 100% certain of mathematical truth, since it's an entirely human invention. We made it, we control it. That's the difference here.No, we cannot. Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem has shown that not all of the mathematical framework might be provable. Also the fundamental assumption is implicitly made that deductive reasoning is conclusive. How can we be 100% sure of that?
All you can do is make up your own mind about it. If you can work out everything it wasn't and find out as much as you can in an action-reaction cycle before you're left with something you need to discover, such as the first triggering action, you only need to hypothesize. When everything else runs off principles of science why throw the possibility of invisible intelligent magic forces into the mix?!
I regard it as irrational.
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