(July 12, 2013 at 11:55 pm)Faith No More Wrote:A being? A cause? If you like, keep it a cause.(July 12, 2013 at 11:38 pm)Consilius Wrote: The cause of the universe produced human beings, which produce emotion from the resources they are given. The cause of the universe is the reason emotion exists, and therefore must understand it.
But the being, having caused all that exists, and therefore making it possible for anything to do anything, having set conditions for it doing so, must be omnipotent.
In the same way, this being has caused all that can possibly be known to exist by making everything there is come into existence. We are caused things, and thoughts, the products of caused things, must be compiled of the existing things we encounter. The being, having made all existing things, must also have had knowledge of all possible combinations of things that can make up thoughts. The being cannot help but know everything, because it caused everything.
Nearly every sentence in there is a non-sequitur.
I also like how you seamlessly went from talking about causes to that cause as a being as if that was something you didn't have to demonstrate.
(July 12, 2013 at 11:38 pm)Consilius Wrote: Our understanding of cause and effect begins and ends with human and their experiences in a finite world. This caused, finite world was caused by an infinite uncaused thing. The first causation was the beginning of the many causes and effects that make our universe. The timeless cause of the universe caused time to exist so causes and effect could make our universe.
You keep talking about cause and effect, and I keep trying to tell you that it doesn't apply as we understand it.
The problem here is we're using mammalian brains that adapted and evolved to survive as time flows to try and understand what happened when time didn't exist. It's like using a hammer to cut wood.
Plus, you seem only to be trying to understand the world from an anthropocentric point of view. It's caused you to speculate that such things like emotions are an intentional product instead of an evolved trait.
Something that existed before time did is impossible to comprehend on the human plane. We can think about it, but never fully comprehend it.
Why do we have emotion in the first place? Other creatures seem to do fine without it. Was the mind of Homo sapiens an a planned development or an incident of nature? Will these minds become more complex?