Determinism Is Self Defeating

[Red Celt]

That's the second time that I've seen you use this argument: "You could have admitted you're wrong. I tried." The problem is, you haven't proven your position, and so there's no reason for him to admit any such thing. When someone believes a position without being able to prove it, and pushes hard for that position to be the default, that pretty much defines dogma. So you might want to look in the mirror, there.

I don't think anybody said a magical fairy guides the material world, making it indeterminate. People are challenging your view of what nature is, and of how the material world works; they aren't even really saying that your view is known to be wrong-- only that it's unprovable. Conflating this natural skepticism with a strawman argument about woo-ism isn't really debating: it's an admission of an inability to debate. So if you're such a champion of science, why don't you show us what science you've either done or researched supporting your position? Otherwise, Zen and others will rightly concluded that you're speaking on a hunch, just like everyone else who enjoys discussing this kind of philosophical question.

I'm just so very tired of stupidity. I asked some questions... some very unambiguous questions that shouldn't have been a problem for anyone approaching this with sincerity. He ignored them. Ask yourself why he ignored them.

He then said that the rock-on-the-hill would prove determinism... which it most certainly would not. It is a nonsense question, because (as I explained) it is merely a matter of the laws of physics. We could predict the path of the rock, but that wouldn't answer other questions about determinism (such as QM and fuzzy logic).

So, he's fucking stupid.

And it tires me.

K? K.