RE: What is "FAITH"
July 13, 2013 at 11:17 pm
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2013 at 12:29 am by Consilius.)
(July 13, 2013 at 5:47 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Consilius, I ended this game 5+ pages back, and you never responded to my correction as to why you are just plain wrong:I am referring to more like the universe we experience; all that is part of the natural order.
(July 12, 2013 at 10:02 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: The universe had an origin of a sort, but regardless your question is malformed. For starters, you need to define what you mean by 'universe'.
Clearly you cannot be defining it as the totality of existence, because then your question answers itself: it always has existed in some form.
And:
(July 12, 2013 at 10:32 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: What? No one here has said the universe will cease to exist. If you're referring to the 'fate' of the universe (i.e Heat death, etc.), the universe still exists, just in a different form.
An eternal universe? Why did this universe change from one form to another at a definite point in time? Why will it do so again? And probably again?
(July 13, 2013 at 5:47 pm)genkaus Wrote:(July 13, 2013 at 3:45 pm)Consilius Wrote: I don't think I made an assumption. I started from scratch and used existing information to come to a conclusion.
"The force that began the universe always existed, since there was nothing to bring it into being.
Wrong. We haven't even established that the universe began in the first place.
Everything has a cause, except the thing that caused cause.
The universe was caused by a Big Bang 4 million years ago.
What caused the Big Bang? A singularity of some sort. What caused the singularity? We can continue to go back. We can only arrive at an uncaused cause.