RE: Determinism Is Self Defeating
July 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2013 at 12:09 pm by little_monkey.)
(July 14, 2013 at 11:28 am)Rhythm Wrote:If the universe wouldn't be deterministic, then it would contain lots of magic as it would not be governed by any laws, and such universe would not be understood under scientific scrutiny. Whether you want to admit or not, but the moment you do science you've already conceeded that it is deterministic. Determinism is a presupposition to any scientific enquiry. It's not something you can prove but it is a starting hypothesis. Scientific theories, scientific models are all based on the notion that the universe is ruled by laws, and therefore it is deterministic. If we know the initial conditions and all the relevant forces, we know exactly how the universe will behave in the future. All scientists have acted under that notion. That's why I said: deny determinism and you deny science.(July 14, 2013 at 10:10 am)little_monkey Wrote: The word "fate" just means that something is pre-determined. So these are interchangeable terms. And determinism is the foundation of science. Deny determinism, you deny science.pre-determiniation or fatalism is similarly non-deterministic. Good shit, eh? I wouldn't go so far as to say that denying determinism denies science though. That the world is knowable, that knowledge can be had - would more aptly, be the foundation of science.