(July 17, 2013 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: Torture? No. Tempt yes.
One question, 2 parts:
1) it the devil “tempting” people to rape and murder each other?
2) Would this otherwise take place if it weren’t for Satan?
Earth is where the wheat is threshed, sifted and winnowed from the chaff. (Where those who truly want to be with God and spend all they have to A/S/K for God, and those who do not are seperated from those who do.)
(July 17, 2013 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: Satan and his followers are not gods or powers acting against God as the movies and some religions portray. The bible upto revelation shows (especially in the book of Job and in the temptations of Christ) that the devil is a reluctant servant of God, and can not do anything unless given permission.So just to be clear, at some point, Satan had to pitch the idea of Rape and Murder to God, before God decided it was okay for Satan to run around tempting people to do it?
(July 17, 2013 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: It is not till revelations 12 does satan finally declare war.
What year is revelation 12? I’m unfamiliar. Did Satan get cast out before or after “creation”?
(July 17, 2013 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: Satan repersents choice via sin. Without satan there is no 'knoweledge' of sin. without this knoweledge there is no 'free will.' Fore there is only God's expressed will as witnessed by Adam and Eve upto the fall.
But, Satan displayed that he could choose differently before falling, so he didn’t know better until after he “fell”? Then where’s the harm? I’m confused. Plus, if Satan was able to act against God’s will before falling, then what you are saying doesn’t seem to follow.
(July 17, 2013 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: God created a prision for Satan first, and we simply followed suit.Ok. I just thought that maybe a God would have more options than a cage. Maybe like that black-hole thing from Man of Steel!
(July 17, 2013 at 5:10 pm)Drich Wrote: It was Between Creation and the Fall.Oh that fall. I was asking about how long it took for God to create earth. Did he do it simultaneously while casting out Satan, so he’d have a prison for him, or was it like an after-thought? Like, Adam wandering around Earth, fine and dandy, and then God sends Satan there? Then Satan starts fucking up everything?
which could have been days, months years, eons millions of trillions of years. We do not know how long Adam lasted before he fell into temptation.
