Determinism Is Self Defeating

[bennyboy]

The fact is that none of what you just said is proven or provable, at least now.

What I said is sincerely, that the future for anything can be predicted, the foreseer simply needs to understand what variables are factors in the product, and what behaviour do they take (eg mathematical functions).This essentially requires one to know what every single particle directly involved in the end result is doing. This would take a super super computer to handle countless calculations. We understand how things work for a large part, We just need to be able to apply our knowledge like I said in a "large-scale". Randomness must be proved false. Unknowns are what causes things to be random.

You have a philosophical belief masked as scientific knowledge. It's pretty clear that you couldn't calculate, for example, the quantum states of all the particles in a thumbtack. There simply is no way to collect good enough data, and no computer that could ever (even theoretically, I'm guessing) calculate it.

Basically, you are stating determinism as a brute fact, aka begging the question, since this thread is ABOUT whether determinism is true.