(July 20, 2013 at 9:53 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Sigh, no...that would be predetermination.I see them as identical. "Pre" just means "before now." But with a 1:1 causal relationship for EVERY t and t+1, then all things are both determined and predetermined. Except maybe the Big Bang itself, for which it's very hard to argue determinism since it supposedly has no cause.
The only actual difference I can see is that the word "predetermined" implies mind with foresight and intent (i.e. God), whereas "determined" does not.
Quote:Inevitability =/= actuality. It has nothing to do with whether or not physics revolves around me, the way you arranged that statement was dismal. You're still trying to saddle determinism with extraneous baggage, and I'm calling heinous bullshit on that.This is really an argument about whether future time is "real," i.e. whether it's an actual dimension along which events are arrayed. If you see time as a dimension, then inevitability = actuality (but just currently inaccesible to us).
As for physics not being about you, I mean it's not about any of the collections of matter that we label. This is a non-trivial point, because of the brain. As soon as you try to see systems in the universe as unique to each other, you end up with the problem of organizing matter into systems "creating" things out of nothing-- like mind. If you see the universe as a single system consisting only of particles, then that problem doesn't come up.
