RE: What is "FAITH"
July 23, 2013 at 12:06 am
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2013 at 1:09 am by Consilius.)
(July 22, 2013 at 7:10 am)genkaus Wrote: As long as you keep repeating your mistake, I'll keep correcting you.I feel our debate is boiling down.
The 'whole is same as parts' doesnt make sense even if the attribute in question is absolute. And you are the one who brought up the brick.
And the grouping of composite parts need affect the whole - that is the crux of this discussion. And the same way that water is colorless, while the lake is blue or that the attributes of sodium and chlorine are not present in the salt, an uncaused universe can be made of caused things.
As for the unbreakable machine - once again you are reinforcing my point. Something made of unbreakable pars can be breakable. The fallacy of composition applies in all examples. This discussion cannot go any further until you see your error.
A point of correction would be that the way machine parts are joined-even inertia-is part of the machine.
Finally, there are definite reasons why lakes are blue and salt isn't poisonous. Why should I believe that the universe had no beginning? Is there a reason that caused elements should make an uncaused whole?
