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Free will Argument against Divine Providence

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Free will Argument against Divine Providence
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RE: Free will Argument against Divine Providence
July 29, 2013 at 12:53 pm
(July 28, 2013 at 10:39 am)HalcyonicTrust Wrote:
(July 20, 2013 at 6:23 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote: P1) Humans have free will to choose otherwise than they did (libertarian).

They have ultimate choice in a non-random self-determined way? I think not.

Either:

1.

We are ultimately fully unconsciously determined.

or

2. We are ultimately entirely undetermined.

Either way there is no ultimate self-determination, ultimate moral responsibility or so called "free will".


I agree, I don't accept it, but you'd be pressed to find theists that don't (Calvinist-predestinationists notwithstanding). Libertarian free will is basically untenable as things stand.
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