RE: Unconventional Religion
July 31, 2013 at 11:51 am
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2013 at 11:53 am by ronedee.)
(July 30, 2013 at 11:35 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: We're starting to get off your original topic and delve into the plausibility of Christian theology and its compatibility with OT beliefs. That's fine, of course, but just saying...
(July 30, 2013 at 6:28 am)Consilius Wrote: Jesus exists as an intercessor and remains an intercessor. He does not claim supremacy to God (the center stage).But Christians pray to Jesus, something the OT would not tolerate, given the verses I quoted you.
As stated before, if Jesus is God, he doesn't need to be his own intercessor with himself. That makes no sense. If he is not God, Christianity violates the 1st Commandment and Christians are sinning in a way that Yahweh would not tolerate.
Quote:Jesus, as an intercessor, is the closest link mankind has to God. Man cannot directly get to God without Christ, the only way.But the ancient Jews were able to go directly to Yahweh with no need for an intercessor. Yahweh publicly spoke to the whole nation of Israel in Judges 1. He spoke to Moses face to face as one does to a friend. He dropped by Abraham's place for lunch. He wrestled with Jacob. He took someone up into Heaven in a whirlwind (sorry but his name escapes me right now, I'll likely remember it later).
The OT god required no intercessor. The OT god tolerated no intercessor.
Christianity is the amalgamation of pagan concepts of an intercessor deity awkwardly rammed together with strict Jewish monotheism. The babbling nonsense of the Trinity is the glue that holds it together.
Then who is God's Messiah, as promised by Him? And why wouldn't He be worshipped and obeyed if He is anointed of God Himself? Wouldn't that make the Messiah....His son? Or something of the sort?
What King says: "worship me...but not my son?"
Messiah [mɪˈsaɪə]
n
1. (Non-Christian Religions / Judaism) Judaism the awaited redeemer of the Jews, to be sent by God to free them
2. (Christian Religious Writings / Theology) Jesus Christ, when regarded in this role
3. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) an exceptional or hoped for liberator of a country or people
[from Old French Messie, ultimately from Hebrew māshīach anointed]
son (sn)
n.
1. One's male child.
2. A male [descendant].
3. A man considered [as if in a relationship] of child to parent: a son of the soil.
4. One [personified] or regarded as a male descendant.
5. Son Christianity The second person of the Trinity.
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