Unconventional Religion

[genkaus]

What do you think the canonized things did? Did they cause suffering by giving to charity?

There are many other ways - like starting crusades.

I see you missed my Nietzsche example.

By the way I believe the Nazis misinterpreted what Nietzsche actually meant in his writings, with catastrophic results.

This isn't about you, Justtristo. I'm quoting you to make a point.  
The Nazis used writings from 40 years ago. Either they misinterpreted them or Friedrich Nietzsche advocated for the Holocaust.

Or, the third option - someone deliberately edited and censored his work to make it appear anti-semitic. Are you suggesting that the bible does not depict your Jesus accurately?
 

It was written down clearly to the Mediterranean society of the first century AD, genkaus.

Prove it.

And when it happens, what do you do?
You are taking a true statement and stretching it too far. No, I don't walk in front of moving cars. But yes, I should if it saves a life, and if it happens by accident, I needn't be resentful.
No one has any reason to fear suffering because it can be overcome. To fear suffering is to live life with a cast. It hurts at first, but one day, you'll be able to stand.

That's the point of being rational - of any sort of suffering does happen, it'd be minimal.

I don't see what you are are trying to say. Are you trying to tell me that a human being is worth approximately 120,000 dollars?

I read it was $50,000, per year of quality life.

And the giving water to villages, that's moving backwards?

Not if it benefits you in the end.

It's only suffering when you can't find happiness in anything besides money.

No, if you have to eat crappy food and sleep on hard beds - that's suffering too.

"For now," they will tell you.
And it's good to know that you approve of looking down on others because you're better than them.

"And now is all there is" I will tell them.
As long as we can agree that I am better than them.

I'm "not worth shit" in respect to how angelic I am personally. I don't need a religion to figure that out.
Or maybe I do. You see, when nothing is right or wrong, I can always shift the goalposts in to make myself think I'm wonderfully virtuous person. "From now on, sleeping, eating, and procrastinating are my cardinal virtues. Aren't I great?"

Except, I never said that nothing is right or wrong.

Yours.

Tautology fail - can you tell me what it says?

That's all right. It's okay to be a condescending asshole as long as your belief system is true.

Glad we agree on something.

As hard as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle? In that case, it is not impossible.

No, it is impossible.

According to what you said earlier, there is only a 50% chance it is impossible:

And how do you know it was a hyperbole and not a metaphor? One indicates difficulty, the other impossibility.

Or, at least, there was before I proved it was much lower.[/quote]

Except, you are talking about something I said - something I clarified as impossible.

You recently said it was OK to talk like a Christian if your views are correct.

No, I didn't. In fact, I'd say that if your views are correct, then you are, by definition, not talking like a Christian, because Christian views are not correct.

However, the annoying attributes of Christian-talk exist independent of the belief. An example of one would be condescending assholism.

Oh, that. Well, once again the difference is that here it is justified.

Congratulations on your conversion!

A bit late to the party.

Quick, you see a woman dangling from a bridge. What do you do?

Call 911.

Tell me one time I did. Ever.

Why do you need me to tell you? Don't you know what you said?

The two needs I bolded were extreme degrees of need. A lesser degree of need is the kind at which giving away a thing would be an act of kindness. Anything more would not be prudent, in violation of a cardinal Catholic virtue.

And here come the rationalizations and the equivocations - "when i said need, I didn't mean need need, I meant neeeed - that is real extreme need. Doing it when there is only need and no neeeeed is not right"

The heroes of Ancient Rome earned their prestige, and looked down on the weak. No one should look down on anyone because they did something better. I learnt that in kindergarten.

That's not an example of class discrimination and are you still following kindergarten morality?

I don't know you, therefore, you don't deserve my help. This is why I say you are moving backwards.

Wrong. I don't know you, therefore, you don't deserve my unconditional help - the kind I would give to family and friends. If you want my help, prove that you deserve it.

If all tribes hated all others, they would have been at an incessant war with each other. They simply didn't care for other tribes as much as their own.

They were at incessant war with each-other.

I'm only speaking in your language. If it's so bad, why don't you do something about it? Because you don't care. You can criticize my theory, but I think you action, which speaks louder than your words, is repulsive.

I do care - about my own poverty. And I do do something about it - make sure I don't become poor.

Open your eyes. In America, the unemployment rate is around 7%. An unemployed person is defined as someone actively seeking a job. When they don't find a substantial one, they sink into joblessness, and stop looking for one. They become homeless and starving.
Do you think that the homeless don't WANT to find work and support their starving families?

If an unemployed person stops looking for a job then he is no longer unemployed? That's ridiculous. And like I said, wanting to find work and actually trying for it are different things.

What political or social comment did Jesus make that was wrong?

Look to the discussion above.