(August 9, 2013 at 9:21 am)genkaus Wrote: You mean "in the name of religion" part? That should've been obvious.I mean the "inflicting suffering on others" part, which you added out of necessity:
Quote:(Today 01:18)genkaus Wrote:
No, I said, people are canonized because either they underwent suffering or caused it. Many canonized kings would qualify for latter.
Quote:What I meant by that is yes, you are right - Bible is full of examples of Jesus and co. not practicing what they preached and contradicting themselves. That's perfectly in line with the bible being a tool for controlling the masses.The entire Bible, as written by Christians, has a 50% chance of being intentionally written in contradiction to your one verse.
What are your motives for taking that chance?
Quote:I never said that the manipulation was done by the Nazis.Was the public aware of this manipulation?
Quote:Bad things don't necessarily lead to suffering - especially if you prepare for them.Like poverty?
(August 9, 2013 at 2:20 am)Consilius Wrote: You're going back on what you said. Wastage is wastage.
Quote:Not at all. Like I said - I've no problem with helping others without any benefit if there is no sacrifice involved.To lose something without getting it back is a sacrifice.
(August 9, 2013 at 2:20 am)Consilius Wrote: The Catholic Church names prudence as one of the four cardinal virtues.
Quote:Its not the same virtue - that's my point. And besides, we are talking about what Christ argued for - not what Catholic Church names.The Church actually agrees with Aristotle's teaching on virtue. It goes on to say in the Cathechism:
"It is prudence that immediately guides the judgement of conscience. The prudent man determines and directs his conduct in accordance with this judgement. With the help of this virtue we apply moral principles to particular cases without error and overcome doubts about the good to achieve and the evil to avoid." (CCC 1806)
The Catholic Church, being a Christian church, derives its doctrine from the Bible.
"The prudent give thought to their steps." Proverbs 14:15
"The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly of fools is deception." Proverbs 14:8
"The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty." Proverbs 22:3
Quote:My relationship with them is a valuable element to be considered within the rational morality.Knowing someone doesn't automatically make them worthy of you sacrificing anything for them.
Quote:"If you are suffering for someone else, that does not make you a better person than someone not suffering for someone else."Both people have the means to save a life.
One uses them. The other doesn't.
