(August 12, 2013 at 9:28 pm)Drich Wrote: i suspected as much (seriously) because you would not have asked a origins question when the bible states God's existence preceded creationBut, I did ask an origins question. You said that my comprehension was only limited by the questions I can think to ask. You said that as long as I can ask the question, the answer would not be beyond my ability to comprehend. Let's see if you give me an answer that is beyond my human ability to comprehend...
(August 12, 2013 at 9:28 pm)Drich Wrote: the bible teaches God was before the beginning of creation. Think about without any part of creation to mark the passage of time, time becomes an unknowable/undocumentiable variable. Therefore to exist before the beginning literally makes one timeless.Unfortunately, I am a being whose comprehension of time is limited to my knowledge of it being linear. So, to posit an infinity is beyond my realm of comprehension. It is nothing more than conjecture to do so. I have no basis for an infinity, nor do I know what preceeded the big bang, so I am not able to make any claims of the sort. You, have done exactly that. When I ask how you know it to be true, your answer is that you inferred it from your interpretation of biblical texts. You ambiguously offer a scientific understanding of time to justify it, however, should I raise a scientific objection to causation, you are reduced to shrugging your shoulders, and telling me...what exactly? That God's ability is beyond my comrehension?
(August 12, 2013 at 9:28 pm)Drich Wrote: You choose to retain your current level of understanding, rather than a/s/k for the gift of the Holy Spirit and the wisdom He offers you.
I'm a/s/king you a question, and you're unable to give a good answer.
If you refer to science and in our understanding of time to defend your God, then I assume you will also have no problem with the 3 part chain of causation that your claims of God have left a blank spot in.
An Efficient Cause- Who made it? You say god.
A Material Cause- (blank)
A Formal Cause- The universe
If you believe that only God preceeded the universe, and you are not a proponent of Ex Deo, then from what did God create the universe from?
Every form of causation requires all 3 of the above parts in order to effectively bring something else into existance. Explain.