Atheists are mentally ill

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I know your god doesn't exist because he contradicts himself.
Fine tuned argument is backwards.
No.
Yes, evolution has the final word.

Are you sure you don't have it backwards by assuming that evolution was non-direction then scaling it up to the universe itself? No the universe is far too complex to be what you think it is, there's just so much much there that we understand about how it formed and what had to be precisely what. If you think there wasn't a direction to life compare the Cambrian to the Carboniferous, compare the Carboniferous to the Permian, from the Permian to the Jurassic and so on. The advancement of both plant and animal life is just simply there and it's plain to see. Humans are the final and end purpose made product of the processes of the universe and of life. You're actually deny what you can physically see, denying what you can't see is one thing, this I can understand.

I didn't assume anything. That's what the evidence points to. This isn't something to squabble over, it's facts, opinions don't change facts. Something that doesn't fit into the laws of physics cease to exist, something that isn't good at surviving cease to survive. So it gives this illusion that only perfect things exist. It's evolution 101. Something that lived in the Jurassic may be illsuited to life on earth today, but we are ill suited to live during the Jurassic period. You're making conclusions that are assuming more than what the evidence suggest.

What I have bolded, you have no way of knowing this. You made that up.

The concept of god is not rejected. It is suggested when it isn't needed to explain anything. You internalized it and gave it meaning when it deserves none.

God explains literally everything we understand, as well as anything we don't understand and God will explain himself to us through the scriptures.

What kind of knowledge has the bible given mankind? Nothing to do with god, just general knowledge, what have we gleaned from it? Name me, ok I'll be generous, 10.

It doesn't mean to say of course that the Bible is a book of science it provides the underpinning of a universe that can be understood by a rational mind.

What does the bible say about physics and the universe? I assume you would qualify as a rational mind to yourself? Please interpret it for us irrational folk.

It can be understood this because it was as the Bible insist purposefully made for a reason.

I don't know what this means.

No he didn't have these limitations. A physical human being cannot heal someone by touching them. They cannot walk on water. Unless you're claiming he didn't do these things?

How do you know humans aren't ever capable of doing this? Perhaps it's beyond the capability of the average guy on the street or if they have any capability at all is so subtle as to be unnoticed. If you were to try to remove all of Jesus's paranormal capabilities from the gospels then as Jefferson discovered you're not left with much of a coherent story of the man himself. A man who couldn't heal anyone wouldn't have crowds flocking to him or people cutting holes in his rood in an attempt to get to him. If you believe in God them all of this is perfectly reasonably possible. Bear in mind that these miraculous powers aren't claimed to be limited to Jesus though perhaps he had the highest grade it's possible for a human to have.

What are you trying to say? So anything that the bible claims that doesn't jive with reality: we don't know enough about reality. Anything that is in line with reality: proof that bible is real. This is the same dishonest arguments muslims tend to use for their Qur'an.

If you take out all the paranormal parts of LOTR, you're left with barely a book. Must mean LOTR is real. I mean why would someone like Bilbo go on a journey unless Gandalf's a real wizard? Why would he follow a mere mortal around like that and put his life in his hands? That's crazy. But if you believe Gandalf's a wizard, it all makes sense and becomes possible.

What I bolded: you contradicted yourself.

No because Jesus was fully 100% human not a supernatural otherworldly being, not God projecting himself as a human but a normal human man like ourselves. So whatever the human limit of these powers is that will be his limit. In some important way he was also fully God physically incarnated into the human world but it doesn't mean he could do what you're saying he could do due to the fact that he was human.

God is unlimited in his power but he cannot change the meaning of natural? Then he's limited by the existing laws of nature.

The bible promotes slavery. The bible gives less rights to women than men. The bible even has god's own chosen people, who he champions in wars and battles. God picks side all the time, and you're a supreme being and you pick sides that's not equality.

We only abolished slavery because of the teachings of Christ to begin with. The abolition movement was inspired directly from Christianity, as was the human rights movement, the gender equality movement and everything else. It all goes back to Jesus and God. This was God manifested in human life, look at the difference he made to world. Again it's like evidence you can see yet you will deny it.

That's not what I was talking about. The bible champions slavery. Are you saying it doesn't?

You're again making conclusions that the evidence don't point to. If someone used the bible to end slavery, the cause could be in this person or it could be in the bible. To claim that it's completely the bible is overreaching.

dateline='1377265740']Perhaps he doesn't exist and you're just imagining it. See, I can make statements too.

You're the one dismissing the evidence we can see for ourselves for the existence of God, you're imagining it's not there when it is very clearly there. Be it in the creation and formation of the universe itself or in human life.

You haven't given any evidence. You're just misinformed about evolution and tend to make hasty conclusions.

I really hate it when people pretend there's only a handful of religion on earth. There are plenty. Just because buddhism, hinduism, taoism isn't a big deal in your society, they are the predominant religions in many parts of the world. Is this pascal's wager? You're assuming way too much by even posing the question.

Christianity is the one with the most evidence, the one that had the biggest impact on the world, the most original, the most rational and the most influential. The other religions have a chance of being true sure, as does atheism/naturalism as a belief. That's the way it is but you go for the best pick of the pack you don't mess around.

So you've studied all these religions and came to that conclusion? There's more evidence for mohammed than for jesus, that I know. the most rational? LOL. Well, you can say a kid is the smartest one in her kindergarten class doesn't mean she gets to make decisions with adults. It's not something to boast about when you're comparing to people who believe in invisible beings.

Atheism is a lack of belief. Naturalism isn't even a thing.

dateline='1377265740']Correct, it wouldn't make him vanish. But if he doesn't exist however much you believe it won't make him pop into existence.

If he doesn't he doesn't exist, though I'm telling you he does in fact exist and there are good very reasons to believe this, it's not certainly blind faith or wishful thinking but the real deal.

I'm not taking your word for it, your methods of reasoning are not at all conservative, which means you overreach and that just leads to mistakes.

What makes you think your opinion is the right one? Please answer all those questions you just asked me.

I think given a good outline of why God exists rather than not. You can see how much more sense it would make of the world if he does. All of history, all of human experience, all of science, everything.

Half of the world's history (I'm again, being generous) went on without mention of your god. I'm from asia, I studied Chinese history, no mention of god or gods. My training is in science, I know theist friends who reject what we're studying because it doesn't work with the bible. So don't make claims like all of science points to god. That's bullshit.

I already said your god doesn't exist because it's too ridiculous a notion and many things in the bible can be disproved.

The Bible isn't a history book though it has some history in it, nor is it a book of science. It is a spiritual tool that guides humanity on the true path to God both this and the other side of eternity through Christ. The kingdom heaven in potential being both within and among us right now and Christ is the light that shines the way for humanity.

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In other words, it contradicts known facts, but it helps you believe in god. Ok, I already knew the first part, and the second is not true. Many here have deconverted because of the bible.

The last part is pure crazy.