@Drippy the arguement that you used here is flaky logic! You say that the Vatican has the information that proves Jesus exists but does it?! How do you know that the Vatican Library does not have documents that just show how the masses were manipulated for centuries and that there is a Technique.
When the Pope who is to a Catholic (Gods Right-hand Man) says that Atheists can get to heaven by being Good, Then the Vatican comes out and says that's not what he meant. How can we say that the Pope did not just let the cat out of the bag? How do we know that he wasent telling the truth except the Vatican feared of a mass exodus from its control?!
Look there are only two people who speak of Jesus outside of the bible from that Era and one was Josephus and he only made a passing statement as that was the story going around! Its much the same as someone 1,000 years from now saying people thought the world was going to end on Dec 21 it did not mean that by any extent it was going to happen just that it its what people were saying.
Yes you can say the Bible contains numerous references to Jesus etc but the bible itself is like a Romance novel with Jesus err well the New Testament is. Its a bit like saying that if someone believes in something enough they will make ridiculous remarks and claims to keep it true.
What we need is hard evidence outside of the Bible from a Skeptics point of view. If a 'Guy' named Jesus existed then it should be easily provable but we read that Jesus ascended into heaven which is very convenient! So the only proof we have of God is that he came to earth and left without leaving anything?
Surely your God would know that people now a day would look for evidence? So why did he not leave some discernible proof - I put it to you that its God's fault if we don't believe in him?!
Jesus comming to earth as God?! Oh please - The question we gotta ask is Why?! And why the fuck did he take so long from the time of the flood?! Or why the hell didnt he die the day adam and eve ate the apple?!
When the Pope who is to a Catholic (Gods Right-hand Man) says that Atheists can get to heaven by being Good, Then the Vatican comes out and says that's not what he meant. How can we say that the Pope did not just let the cat out of the bag? How do we know that he wasent telling the truth except the Vatican feared of a mass exodus from its control?!
Look there are only two people who speak of Jesus outside of the bible from that Era and one was Josephus and he only made a passing statement as that was the story going around! Its much the same as someone 1,000 years from now saying people thought the world was going to end on Dec 21 it did not mean that by any extent it was going to happen just that it its what people were saying.
Yes you can say the Bible contains numerous references to Jesus etc but the bible itself is like a Romance novel with Jesus err well the New Testament is. Its a bit like saying that if someone believes in something enough they will make ridiculous remarks and claims to keep it true.
What we need is hard evidence outside of the Bible from a Skeptics point of view. If a 'Guy' named Jesus existed then it should be easily provable but we read that Jesus ascended into heaven which is very convenient! So the only proof we have of God is that he came to earth and left without leaving anything?
Surely your God would know that people now a day would look for evidence? So why did he not leave some discernible proof - I put it to you that its God's fault if we don't believe in him?!
Jesus comming to earth as God?! Oh please - The question we gotta ask is Why?! And why the fuck did he take so long from the time of the flood?! Or why the hell didnt he die the day adam and eve ate the apple?!
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