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[Harris]

Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.

Most biologists would disagree.

Most biologists also disagree that genes of apes can be developed through evolutionary route into human genes, whereas others striving to show similarities among genes of apes and human and through this trying to prove Darwin’s point of view on human evolution to be true.

Web is full of such controversies.

Biologists have known about evolution since before the BBC first broadcast, it wouldn't be big news and most television stations don't dare even show cartoons that might offend muslims, why would it be in their interest to suddenly start debunking the quran?
I can tell you now the politically correct BBC would be the LAST to "give a shout on that".

Cartoons of Prophet Mohammad were intended to humiliate Islam based on hatred and Jealousy. There was no literary contention behind that act. Certainly, BBC and CNN took correct step by not telecasting those cartoons. They are well aware about their audiences in Muslim world who are around 2 billion in numbers.

Let me clarify this idea through couple of examples:

Example one
If I say, “You are a pig”, does that statement transform you into a pig? Sure, it won’t. Would that act of mine provoke anger and depression in you? Sure it does. It hurts because I associated you with the lower grade dirty animal with the intention to degrade you.

Example two
If you are a record holder in 100-meter sprint and I challenge you for a contest and beat you then this would be worldwide news.

Now Quran claims it is a Divine Word. It built its case based on the claim that it has no discrepancies and holds this claim for last 1400 years. So far, no one was able to challenge this claim but if someday someone will really with an authentication regarding claim of Quran to be wrong then not only BBC but also all news channels around the world would be telecasting this news with delight.

The quran actually offers very little information that isn't incredibly vague, to actually prove a claim wrong you have to know what that claim is in the first place.

You are correct to some extent in saying, “Quran actually offers very little information”. It is because Quran is not a book of science, history, philosophy, etc. it is a book of signs and commandments. What information Quran has given to the believers is more than sufficient to expose the truth. It is simply a different matter if someone closes his eyes with the intention not to see. In such a case, no one can show path to a blind person.

The qurans claims are so vague muslims cannot agree on what it says, so it would be impossible to prove the quran wrong if people don't even know what it says to begin with.
For example the verse that says man was created from a drop emitted from between the backbone and ribs.
I've argued about this before with Muslims, I've had one muslim tell me the drop is seman, another muslim say that testicles are formed high up in the body in babies so the quran must be talking about that, another muslim told me that the quran is talking about the blood flow from another part of the body to the testicles.
Muslims will have to all agree on what the quran actually says and get their story straight before anyone can prove it wrong.
I've even seen muslims who believe in evolution and that adam was just a life form but not necessarily human, so how can I prove a book wrong that isn't actually giving out clear information?

I somewhat agree with your views and analysis. Many Muslim don’t have time to study Quran. They don’t know Quran yet they are Muslims. If you give a tricky question to such Muslims, who don’t have fundamental knowledge to answer then these are the people who normally fell into a trap. They try to hide their embarrassment and in this act, they commit more blunders.

If you have serious intentions for learning Quran then you should consult with some learned Muslim who knows his scripture well and who can satisfy you in your cross questioning.

Quran is written in such a way that an illiterate Bedouin can understand it according to his understanding and a scholar can understand according to his level of intellect.

You truly said there are many things in Quran, which seems to be ambiguous. Those things are ambiguous because we have not yet reached to the level of understanding based on our acquired knowledge.

1400 years ago, people did not have any idea about the evolution of a human baby in mother’s womb. But Quran revealed this information 1400 years ago in the middle of barbaric and ignorant Arabs.

Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
Al Mu'minuun (23)
-Verse 14-

A group of Muslims had presented this verse along with other similar verses to Dr. Keith Moore. Dr. Keith Moore is an eminent embryologist in the University of Toronto and he is a highly regarded specialist in his field. His book on embryology got award and many of his books are used as textbooks in medical colleges throughout the west. He said this information was impossible to be developed by any man without the invention of microscope. We know microscope came after 1000 years after the revelation of Quran. Dr. Keith said he is amazed by the accuracy of Quran how it placed different stages of human evolution with such a precision. He acknowledged this can’t be the work of human hands. His interviews you can find on YouTube.

Therefore, things, which seem to be ambiguous, will not be ambiguous when the acquired knowledge of human will reach to a higher level.

I can't prove an intoxicated homeless man wrong in the streets if he shouts "RAOARRRR THE TIGERS GOT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD ROUND HIS HEAD AT NIGHT WHEN THE MOON IS OUT" it doesn't mean he is right it just means he is talking jibberish that no one understands.

For sure, Quran is not an intoxicated homeless man talking about gibberish things. We have thrown a curtain over our own eyes perhaps due to our hatred and jealousy. We have simply closed our eyes over prominent facts that Quran is presenting for our understanding.

I’ll give another example:

Does man (a disbeliever) think that We shall not assemble his bones?
Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.
Al Qiyaamah (75)
-Verses 3 & 4-

Above verses are talking about disbelievers’ distrust in the resurrection. Sir Frances Gold in 1880 had discovered that prints on our fingertips are not identical with the prints of another person even in million people.

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I've given you a whole list of them - refute them all. I don't need to pick and choose "just a few" - even if one of those contradictions and scientific discrepancies is is not show to be absolutely and undeniably
incorrect, then by your admission, quran is not superior or miraculous.

First, I am not willing to waste my time in refuting all those childish arguments. If you are interested then give me couple of them, which you think are the strongest ones.

Secondly, none of Christian or Atheist Apologists uses any of these allegations in their debates with Muslims. There are millions of Muslim-Christian and Muslim-Atheist debates available on YouTube and you can check yourself. Do you think Christian and Atheist scholars don’t know about these web sites and about these allegations against Quran?

Once Jay Smith tried to quote such allegation in a debate with Shabir Ally and after that, Jay had no place to hide his face when Shabir Ally rebutted.

Try to remember that it won't even qualify as news. Existence of authentic contradictions and discrepancies in quran is a well known and well established fact. We don't discuss it in polite company so as not to hurt the feewings of wee-muslim babies. The only reason you don't see it and desperately try to excuse, justify or otherwise rationalize them is because of your blind faith.

You have not studied Quran. You speak what others are saying and you have a blind faith in whatever you are hearing against Quran. I don’t need to give justifications. You can simply search the web for Muslim-Atheist or Muslim-Christian debates and check out yourself that non-Muslim scholars are not using any of the points, which these web sites are presenting against Quran.

These web sites are designed for naive people to keep them away from reading Quran.