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Do you really think that a large font can hide the idiocy of your arguments? It doesn't.

Most biologists also disagree that genes of apes can be developed through evolutionary route into human genes, whereas others striving to show similarities among genes of apes and human and through this trying to prove Darwin’s point of view on human evolution to be true.

Web is full of such controversies.

Not this one. Biologists have all pretty much agreed on that.

Cartoons of Prophet Mohammad were intended to humiliate Islam based on hatred and Jealousy. There was no literary contention behind that act.

Ofcourse there was - its called freedom of speech.

Certainly, BBC and CNN took correct step by not telecasting those cartoons. They are well aware about their audiences in Muslim world who are around 2 billion in numbers.

They took the cowardly route by trying to appease the crybaby Muslims. Not the correct step.

Let me clarify this idea through couple of examples:

Example one
If I say, “You are a pig”, does that statement transform you into a pig? Sure, it won’t. Would that act of mine provoke anger and depression in you? Sure it does. It hurts because I associated you with the lower grade dirty animal with the intention to degrade you.

Actually, it won't. Sticks and stones, dude, sticks and stones.

And even if it did, it'd still be wrong of me to threaten or commit violence in retaliation - something you muslims are so fond of.

Example two
If you are a record holder in 100-meter sprint and I challenge you for a contest and beat you then this would be worldwide news.

Now Quran claims it is a Divine Word. It built its case based on the claim that it has no discrepancies and holds this claim for last 1400 years. So far, no one was able to challenge this claim but if someday someone will really with an authentication regarding claim of Quran to be wrong then not only BBC but also all news channels around the world would be telecasting this news with delight.

If you beat me in a 100m sprint and it turns out that I never held a record in the first place, it wouldn't be a news at all.

Quran claims that it is a divine word. But it has had discrepancies and scientific errors within it since its conception. So it never actually established its claim. Not for last 1400 years, not even for 1 year. And since it was never established, someone challenging it and proving it wrong doesn't amount to news and therefore won't be broadcasted at all.

You are correct to some extent in saying, “Quran actually offers very little information”. It is because Quran is not a book of science, history, philosophy, etc. it is a book of signs and commandments. What information Quran has given to the believers is more than sufficient to expose the truth. It is simply a different matter if someone closes his eyes with the intention not to see. In such a case, no one can show path to a blind person.

I agree- what information is given in it is sufficient to establish the truth. And the truth is that the Quran, like every other 'holy text' out there, is a pile of bullshit that's not even worth a reading.

1400 years ago, people did not have any idea about the evolution of a human baby in mother’s womb. But Quran revealed this information 1400 years ago in the middle of barbaric and ignorant Arabs.

Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
Al Mu'minuun (23)
-Verse 14-

A group of Muslims had presented this verse along with other similar verses to Dr. Keith Moore. Dr. Keith Moore is an eminent embryologist in the University of Toronto and he is a highly regarded specialist in his field. His book on embryology got award and many of his books are used as textbooks in medical colleges throughout the west. He said this information was impossible to be developed by any man without the invention of microscope. We know microscope came after 1000 years after the revelation of Quran. Dr. Keith said he is amazed by the accuracy of Quran how it placed different stages of human evolution with such a precision. He acknowledged this can’t be the work of human hands. His interviews you can find on YouTube.

Therefore, things, which seem to be ambiguous, will not be ambiguous when the acquired knowledge of human will reach to a higher level.

Too easy, simply too easy. Atleast gimme a challenge.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Dr._Keith_Moor..._Additions

The result of Moore's and Zindani's collaboration is not an academic book and subsequent editions omit and contradict the "Islamic additions". Reverting back to his previous description, they basically admit that the embryology in the Qur'an is a repetition of Greek and Indian medicine

For example, in 1986 he wrote that "The drop or nutfa [in Surah 23:13] has been interpreted as the sperm or spermatozoon, but a more meaningful interpretation would be the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest")," but in the 8th edition of The Developing Human (published 2007), he writes that "Growth of science was slow during the medieval period... human beings [according to the Qur'an] are produced from a mixture of secretions from the male and female. Several references are made to the creation of a human being from a nutfa (small drop). It also states that the resulting organism settles in the womb like a seed, 6 days after its beginning."

This shows that Moore's previous statements on embryology in the Qur'an were not based on science, but merely the result of patronage by the Saudi royal family.

J. Needham, a well known authority on the history of embryology and a reference cited in Keith Moore's books, has also dismissed embryology in the Qur'an as merely "a seventh-century echo of Aristotle and the Ayer-veda."

For sure, Quran is not an intoxicated homeless man talking about gibberish things. We have thrown a curtain over our own eyes perhaps due to our hatred and jealousy. We have simply closed our eyes over prominent facts that Quran is presenting for our understanding.

You could've fooled me - it sounds exactly like the ramblings of a drunk bum.

Its the muslims who've thrown a curtain over their own eyes (that's a clever reference to burqa, in case you missed it). They are the ones who've closed their eyes to all the errors and contradictions in it.

I’ll give another example:

Does man (a disbeliever) think that We shall not assemble his bones?
Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.
Al Qiyaamah (75)
-Verses 3 & 4-

Above verses are talking about disbelievers’ distrust in the resurrection. Sir Frances Gold in 1880 had discovered that prints on our fingertips are not identical with the prints of another person even in million people.

Yes, Sir Francis Gold did discover that - but I don't see this being mentioned in your quran.

First, I am not willing to waste my time in refuting all those childish arguments. If you are interested then give me couple of them, which you think are the strongest ones.

If you want to establish your "claim" that there are no contradictions or scientific discrepancies in Quran, then yes, you'll have to "waste" your time refuting all those childish arguments. And then you'll have to refute the other thousand "childish" contradictions I come up with. Then we move on to the adult contradictions. And only when you have refuted each and every one of them then you can say that there are no contradictions or discrepancies in Quran - but not before.

As things stand now, Quran doesn't even stand up to childish scrutiny.

Secondly, none of Christian or Atheist Apologists uses any of these allegations in their debates with Muslims. There are millions of Muslim-Christian and Muslim-Atheist debates available on YouTube and you can check yourself. Do you think Christian and Atheist scholars don’t know about these web sites and about these allegations against Quran?

There not using it doesn't make these arguments untrue. So either put up or shut up.

Once Jay Smith tried to quote such allegation in a debate with Shabir Ally and after that, Jay had no place to hide his face when Shabir Ally rebutted.

Never heard of either of them. But if you are so confident in your rebuttal - go ahead, present it.

You have not studied Quran.

I haven't studied Illiad either. I don't need to in order to know its wrong.

You speak what others are saying and you have a blind faith in whatever you are hearing against Quran.

Are you saying that the quotes given in the website, supposedly from the Quran, are actually not in Quran at all? That should be easy to prove. Otherwise, the only thing I'm hearing against Quran is Quran itself.

I don’t need to give justifications.

If you want to establish it as without errors and without contradictions, then you do need to give justifications.

You can simply search the web for Muslim-Atheist or Muslim-Christian debates and check out yourself that non-Muslim scholars are not using any of the points, which these web sites are presenting against Quran.

All this proves is that there is a multitude of arguments against Quran and that people can pick and choose different ones.

These web sites are designed for naive people to keep them away from reading Quran.

Agreed. Naive people can be easily fooled and deceived by Muslim conmen trying to spread their bullshit dogma. Websites like these do a public service by preventing its reader from being taken in by quranic lies.