Pleasure and Joy

[bennyboy]

The black-hole isn't the property. It's the explanation required to explain properties.

And the same applies to experience.

Actual subjective experience is not required to explain behavior. Brain function is sufficient.

Just like a computer can't win a game of chess without actual imagination?

Precisely.

I admire your full commitment to your world view. Not many people would claim a Radio Shack chess set has actual imagination.

I do not accept the way you define these words. You would presumably say that any device which can react to redness (for example, by stopping at a red light) is experiencing redness. And yet, when I talk about the interchange of photons, some of which represent redness, you do not accept that individual particles are actually experiencing. And when I talk about a galaxy, in which many parts' movement is affected by forces exerted on them by other objects, you do not accept that the galaxy is actually experiencing.

Water, for example, reacts to a loss of heat by changing its structure to ice. The loss of heat has caused a physical response in the water. Is the water experiencing that heat loss?