(September 3, 2013 at 10:20 pm)Drich Wrote: Careful what you wish for Ole' Sport.
Bravo! You responded to my requests in a professional, respectful fashion. You did not insult me, and you put forth a strong case. Thank you!
Of course, you do know that I have to point out the flaws in your logic.

You did not address my quote from the Bible where God flat-out says he creates evil. Is that a translation problem, too?
Your Christian defense says that translation is the problem, that if we could read the Bible in its original writing it would be perfect. How can you possibly verify that? Read my other thread about the census at the time of Jesus' birth. Would all those facts be different in its original writing? What about all the Bible quotes regarding the acceptance of slavery? God approved of it, Jesus approved of it, or is that different, too? I highly doubt it. Words like "love" or maybe even "virgin" may be screwed up in translation, but impossible dates of occurances and instructions on how to discipline people you own can't be mistaken. In any language, the Bible has some undeniable evils.
Faith says that God is perfect. But the Word of God is undeniably in error. A perfect being cannot create an imperfect source of instructions, unless he is maliciously causing disorder. But that is exactly what has happened. Speaking with reason and common sense, man made the Bible, and there is no God, just the imperfect abilities of the human race.
But if you still want to believe in God, again you must remember that he is perfect. He is perfect love (or agape) and perfect justice. I do not believe that any supreme being would damn me on my beliefs, but rather on my character (which is just fine, FYI). If beliefs are a factor, four billion people alive today were damned to eternal suffering at birth, and that is ridiculously beyond reason.
The God of the Bible is malicious, unfair and actually a bit ignorant (the world isn't flat, God!) so therefore he is not the perfect agape-filled being that you claim he is. If there is a God (which I doubt) then he is not the God of Abraham, because that god is evil. If you have created a new interpretation of God, then maybe he is the definition of agape: 'This love is selfless; it gives and expects nothing in return." But the god in the Bible says that he is subject to human emotions: anger, jealousy, disrespect and most of all He's unreasonably demanding. That is not "agape."
And no amount of perfect translation will change that fact.
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
- Buddha
"Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it."
- Dennis McKinsey
- Buddha
"Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it."
- Dennis McKinsey