RE: Christians, why are you hear (If you want to convert atheists read this)
September 4, 2013 at 12:31 pm
(September 4, 2013 at 11:39 am)Drich Wrote:Drich here is the issue i have with your argument. I could take the word god and replace it with allah or zeus and i would still work the exact same way. Ex. Pray to zeus for evidence and he will give it if you pray hard enough.(September 4, 2013 at 11:21 am)pocaracas Wrote: Thus far, I've seen no god leading no one.... only people claiming to know what god wants leading other people who believe in these people's claims.What does it look like to have God lead someone? Or rather what are you looking for when you say you see 'no God leading no one?'
Quote:I see a person who wrote a book detailing the methodology to attain contact with the divine..... methodology which relies heavily on self-delusion and confirmation bias...Self delusion will only get someone so far. We have been instructed to constantly Ask, constantly seek, and to continually knock which will quickly destroy any self delusion.
Quote:However, many people have since accepted such methodology and claim to have acquired such contact with the divine. In my view, all those people (you included?) have fallen victims of the self-delusion mechanism inherent on this methodology... and just cannot see it, even if shown.So how does one seperate self delusion from the devinne interaction?
Powerful stuff, your brain, huh?
To be placed in one impossiable situation after another, each more desprate than the last, to be broken down well past any hope of any meaningful recovery from self or anyone who wants to try and help. I can recount everything that happened to me, but ultimatly it will be meaningless to anyone accept me. Why? Because God looks to 'proove' Himself to each of us through a 'proofing' process. That way our Faith will be without doubt. Each one of us must seek this 'proof' on our own, otherwise it can be dismissed.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.