Pleasure and Joy

[bennyboy]

Even if I had fallen short - which I haven't - your accusation of begging the question would still be baseless.

And your insistence on conflating mind-existent words with mind-neutral or physical monist words would still be base.

It may be that subjective experience of an organism (if it exists) may result in a particular behavior, but it does not follow that all occurrences of a behavior necessarily prove subjective experience. Remember? Dogs. Tails. Cyberboys. Assumptions. Circles.

I also remember giving the criteria for identifying the behavior that must necessarily be the result of subjective experience - thus, all occurrences of that particular behavior in that context would necessarily prove subjective experience. Remeber? Dogs. Tails. Cyberboys. No assumptions and no circles.

The problem is that your criteria don't actually prove that something is actually experiencing. They just define the behaviors that you want to call experience.