(September 5, 2013 at 5:40 pm)Drich Wrote: How could Paul ignore these problems? These people needed the Meat of the word, not the milk that new or non believers need.
(That is why you want to hear more about Christ, You need Milk.) While someone who has heard and taught about Christ for the last 20 or 30 years needs the Meat of the word. Meaning information on how to live our lives under Christ.
1 cor
3 :1And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men? 4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?
Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
This solid food analogy us used by Paul through out His ministry. Paul Feed the Spiritually mature Solid food to nourish the Spirit. The tentament of basic salvation are very important, but in of themselves can not sustain an on going faith. again the reason you do not like or understand the need for Paul's efforts is because you need the basics of salvation. Maybe once you spent a few decades on the basics you will understand the need to move past them, and apply christianity to your whole life.
All right, good return. Let's try another quote:
Romans 6:15-16
"What then? Shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"
So, basically be slaves to God, or suffer for it. That is the milk? Tastes sour to me.
You say that I need to apply Christianity to my whole life. Ya know what? I did that. For almost 20 years. And what did it get me? Anxiety, confusion and a sense of hopelessness. Now I am, as they say, "de-converted" and you know what? I'm happier than I've ever been. My life has improved in ways I won't bore you with now. But it did happen. I learned that life is better as a free mind, and not as God's slave. And no punishment has come to me. If there is a God, he either approves of my choice, doesn't care about my choice, or is planning on letting me enjoy life, then damn me for eternity. The latter possibility is just evil.
Paul's teachings were just the tip of the iceberg. They were only what Paul knew, and that wasn't much. I say even if they do serve a separate purpose, they are not without flaw and error. And therefore they are not perfect, and cannot be the word of a perfect being.
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
- Buddha
"Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it."
- Dennis McKinsey
- Buddha
"Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it."
- Dennis McKinsey