Trinity

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What do you mean proven conveyor of truth?

Only the pure and faithful Spirit that is faithful to love unto death will find no reason to deceive and offend any of us, such is the Spirit that is revealed by the Lord Jesus and by His true followers. This Jesus could not have lied because in His Spirit there can be seen no reason to lie. Recorded history tells us the faithful followers who knew Jesus were in the end prepared to be persecuted to death, even to be tortured to death rather than live a lie and deny what they had witnessed: His commandments and doctrine, the love and wisdom, the miracles, the promises, the crucifixion and the resurrected Jesus Christ. Despite all the efforts of hypocrites, malicious liars and antichrists, the only true and faithful Spirit lives on in all His true followers still. This Spirit is the only proven conveyor of truth because no one can explain an alternative in which we all can trust.

I'm going to colour code my responses and what you said so there is more continuity and so you know which parts I'm responding to.

From what you have said so far, you seem to think that because humans are capable of pride we cannot determine truth. So we need to get truth from what you say is a proven conveyor of truth. And now you're saying the opposite, you're saying we should just believe someone else. So how are you different from me? I believe in my own judgments, you believe in what you think is the Holy Spirit. You think the Holy Spirit cannot lie because it told you it cannot lie. Please, is that supposed to convince anyone?

As it so happens, I just finished watching a doc on Mao Zedong. He inspired more sacrifice and loyalty in more people than your jesus did during his time on earth. Considering all the shit he did (this can apply to both but I'm talking about Mao here), to this day if you say bad things about him many Chinese people will get offended and defend him. By your standards Mao should be what, a god? Is Mao a proven conveyor of truth as well?

By what criteria do you determine what is true?

The love given testifies to a man's honesty.
The wisdom he gives testifies to his sanity.




Recorded history according to Matthew 22:34-41 tells us:

Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’

[As far as I can see, from an atheistic point of view, the nearest equivalent to that commandment would go something like this, “always love and value that which produced you: the human race, above your self and above all things at all costs”]

This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

I stopped reading beyond what I bolded. That didn't happen, I'm not going to pretend like it did.