(September 8, 2013 at 8:04 am)Esquilax Wrote: It's not circular, I just mistakenly assumed you were intelligent enough to recognize that we are all persons ourselves, and thus that personal freedom is important to us, because it's the only lens through which we can interact with the world and fulfill our desires.Insult me all you like, but the fact is that you made a circular argument, and haven't corrected it.
I'll never make the mistake of considering you capable of understanding basic concepts again.
Quote:Another qualitative assessment; are you making an argument that being happy isn't important?No, I'm asking you to support that it is with something other than circles or, in this case, an argument from ignorance.
An evolutionist could easily argue that happiness isn't important, only reproductive success - and even that relies on the unsupported premise that life is important.
Quote:You appear to need every little thing explained to you in painstaking detail before you deign to understand a concept like "people enjoy it when they are happy," or "personal freedom allows people the leeway to attain that happiness within reasonable limits constrained by mutual agreement." I'm sorry you're hard of understanding, but your own ignorance or intractability doesn't make you correct.I'm pretty sure the slave owners derived benefits from their slaves which made them happy, but that happiness doesn't seem important to you.
Quote:Just so long as the rape happens in the comfort of the captor's own home, huh? If you actually believe any of this is morally justified you are just a terrible human being.Arranged marriage has been common across time and cultures. You're taking a very narrow and arrogant view in calling it rape.