Pleasure and Joy

[Harris]

If you think my arguments are stupid then you should prove them stupid instead of using mere vocalization. Without appropriate reasoning, your statement is in fact no more than a Hullabaloo.

I don't see why I can't do both.

I know you prefer Hullabaloo. An easy way!

If freedom of speech means humiliating others then why you feel angry when someone compares your beloved ones with disgusting things?

I don't - especially if the comparison is untrue.

Are you trying to say, you would not mind if someone say your mother is a bitch because it is an untrue comparison!!!???

Nope! You are wrong. They are Conspiratorial, not Coward.

Nope! I am right. Suppressing free-speech to appease Islamic extremists is cowardice.

Okay! No problem, they are both Coward and Conspiratorial.
However, what in your opinion is free speech?

Is that the reason why poor Afghans receiving western bombs over their heads since last 40 years in their own homes?

That's one of the reasons.

Yeah! You can say that while sitting in your comfortable sofa with a cup of hot chocolate and enjoying the war games. It is known as “lack of consideration”.

It is near to impossible for someone to memorize a book in foreign language without knowing that language especially when the text that has discrepancies in it. However, this glory goes to Quran exclusively. There are approximately 30,000,000 Hafiz Quran in the world today. Hafiz Quran are those people who memorize complete Quran from beginning to end and word by word. These hafiz Quran belongs to all cultures, nations, race, colour and language. Around 70% of these hafiz Quran are those people who don’t know Arabic as language.

That's not impossible at all. People have memorized and translated books of foreign language with discrepancies in it. Quran is no different in that respect.

Can you show only 10,000 people who have memorized some particular book having the volume similar to Quran and in language, they don’t know. If 10,000 is a big figure then show only 1,000 compared to 30,000,000.

First point, am I asking you to read Quran?

Second, if you don’t know Quran then how comes you are criticizing it? Perhaps, you are one of those who follow blind faith. Possibly, it’s your dire desire to condemn Quran by hook or by crook and for this reason you agree with everything which goes against Quran whether true or false.

First point, you are not giving me any reason to.

No professor can give interest to the student if the student does not have his own interest in the studies. If someone studies, without having interest, that is because he bears some burden. You don’t have interest in studying Quran and you don’t have a burden so no reason would suit you here.[/quote]

Second, I do know Quran and I don't need to know its contents to know what it is. I have made no secret of my desire to condemn Quran and the I have made no secret of the fact that I condemn it because it is bullshit. I don't need to know about any true parts if my knowledge of the false parts is sufficient.

How you know Quran when you do not know its contents?

Wikiislam is managed by Crooks, whose job is to distort everything related to Islam. Better, you search Wikipedia, which is, if not saying the truth then at least, not distorting it as well. For its honest job, Wikipedia is famous worldwide and people don’t hesitate giving their financial donations in acknowledgement to its fabulous services to humanity.

Funny you should say that - Wikipedia agrees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_L._Mo...e_Qur.27an

I told you that Wikipedia is not run by crooks. It is a respected site. They are not telling false then they are neither distorting real things.

it is written there:

I"n 2002, Moore declined to be interviewed by the Wall Street Journal on the subject of his work on Islam, stating that "it's been ten or eleven years since I was involved in the Qur'an."

Moore had taken an intelligent by refusing because he is not living in a Muslim community he had for sure cultural burden over his shoulder.

Wikipedia only report what happened but no where it agrees. Its only your dream.

Can you validate your statement true through proper references and by presenting the writings of Greeks and Indians who were living before the invention of microscope?

Sure:

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/History_of_Embryology

Crooks manage Wikiislam. I told you that. Give reference from the work of some eminent historians or theologians. Don’t you have anyone else than those crooks?

bla:

And what does all this blather supposed to signify?

The quranic verses quoted here do not imply any of the embryological knowledge, anymore than other religious texts did.

You are showing lack of knowledge. Nearly all medical institutions around the globe are using Keith Moore’s books (including the Islamic version) as textbooks.

A connection with Royal Saudi Family is nothing more than an attempt came out of desperation.

Not really. His statements fail on their own merit. Specifically his statements about the historical human knowledge about embryology. The Saudi Family connection simply proves the motive for lying.

As for your reference of his book, here's an interesting read about it:
http://rationalislam.blogspot.in/2012/03...ft-to.html.

You are pushing me towards websites, where people are striving their utmost to prove Quran and Islam wrong. They don’t care whether they are using hooks or crooks for their reasoning. The fact is lshining ike sun in the midday, Moors books including Islamic version are every where around the globe and all medical students are using it as their treasure to earn high marks.

When professor Marshal Johnson (head of anatomy department, in the Denial Institute, in Thomas Jefferson hospital, Philadelphia USA) was asked to comment on these verses he said it is possible that Prophet Mohammad had a microscope and he had observed all these stages. At that, when he was reminded that microscope was not there 1400 years ago. He laughed loudly and said, “Yes, I know that”, he continued “I have seen the first microscope myself and it hardly enlarge 10 times”. He proclaimed that the source of description of these stages in Quran should only be a divine one.

Glad you brought this up:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses...chap06.htm

Jochin Katz is another crook who had literally fooled naive people by the spreading rumour that Quran has different versions.

BURQA is not a prerequisite to behave like those about whom Bible says:

… they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
(Matt 13:13 [KJV])

You just don't get a metaphor, do you?

I know exactly what is in your mind and why you brought this word here. On contrary, you missed the point why I use Burqa in capital words. If you want, we can discuss on Burqa and about your problem with this Burqa.

What's the name of that other guy who ran the same scam? No, wait, that's the same scam used by every religion in existence.

"Our holy book is not only compatible with current scientific discoveries, it already predicts all scientfic knowledge in ambiguous and non-specific terms. If you look at this ambiguous phrase here, you can draw a convoluted conclusion from it that fully agrees with science."

Sorry, that doesn't work. If your Quran had knowledge of finger-prints, then they would've been discovered way before Sir Francis.

What I know I talk only on that. I know there are people who favour Quran but can’t represent their views appropriately as they lack in proper knowledge. I know there are people who go in negative extreme and cross all boarders of ethics in hatred and jealousy.

I am only concerned on what I am saying not what others are saying. If someone is saying true I am with him may he be atheist, Christian, Muslim, anyone. If someone is saying false I am not with him may he be a Muslim. If I don’t know something then before saying I try to find out the truth.

No, they are not giving these arguments in their debates and written works because they know that these facts are already out there for people to find from other sources and they don't want to waste time repeating the same thing.

There are thousands of videos refuting those allegations. You can make a research. It’s not a difficult task.

Except those people have given evidence for their claims - which changes their claims from opinions to facts. Unequivocal agreement is not required for establishing facts - evidence is. And that is available in abundance.

What you are calling evidences are nothing more than foul play. You can fool a naive person with those concoctions but not the one who know Quran.

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Being and Nothingness
Jean-Paul Sartre

Relevance?

Be consistent in making statements.

You are listening what you desire to listen.
All those allegations are based on misquotes, quotations out of context and on the implications of false synonyms to the words. The authors had also taken advantage on general people’s lack of knowledge on Quran and Arabic Language while framing those allegations.

Then it should be easy for you to disprove each and everyone of them. Go ahead and do so.

Serve your best shot and I’ll try to return it back to you. Everything is on open ground.

Let me give you one example:

Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Al Kahfi (18)
-Verse 86-

So, basically, Quran makes an ambiguous statement which can be interpreted as "he reached the place of sun setting and it appeared to set in murky water" (a popular local myth of the time) or as "at the time of sunset, it appeared that sun was setting in murky water" - and you can say without any doubt that it actually meant the latter and not the former. Yeah, not buying it. At best, it would establish inconclusive evidence. Go on to the rest then.

Its such a common sense thing. Let me elaborate on it.

(Until, when he reached the setting of the sun,) means, he followed a route until he reached the furthest point that could be reached in the direction of the sun's setting, which is the west of the earth.

(He found it setting in a spring of Hami'ah) meaning, he saw the sun as if it were setting in the ocean. This is something, which everyone who goes to the coast can see: it looks as if the sun is setting into the sea but in fact, it never leaves its path in which it is fixed. Hami'ah is, according to one of the two views, derived from the word Hama'ah, which means mud.

It is a sign of an obstinate character to argue on things without giving proper reasons. It is something as if you are saying, “I agree with all those allegations and I don’t care whether they are true or false”

No, what I am saying is that there are hundreds of factual reasons why Quran is wrong. Expecting each debater to list them all - or even know them all - is not reasonable. So, people not using those arguments says absolutely nothing about their validity.

Talk with me on bible and I will not feel shy giving all mistakes and discrepancies in it with evidence and proves, even though if they are billions in numbers. Said that it doesn’t mean I am against bible and Jesus.

I am also a believer in bible and believer in Jesus but unfortunately, bible has been corrupted heavily and I cannot rely on it with certainty. With Quran, it is not the case.

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When I say universe is fine-tuned and 1 cm deviation of earth from its fixed path of motion can bring threat to life it means that a range of life permitting values of a constant or quantity is infinitesimally small compared to the possible values that constant or quantity might have had. If life permitting constant or quality were altered by the slightest amount, life would have been impossible. Life in this universe is balanced on the razor’s edge of incomprehensible fineness and precision. So if the balance would be slightly altered, life would not exist simply. Life is incredibly precarious in this universe.

You were already informed that it would make no difference if the earth moved 1cm from its orbit, you're just making the same false claim using different words.

No, it does! Ask Hawkins.

Are you going to ignore the fact the quran makes no mention of unique finger prints and repeat that claim in a few days again and forget what you were told about that too?

I think you are not reading my posts with care.