Pleasure and Joy

[genkaus]

Look Genkaus! My intentions are only to have a healthy debate in an educated manner. You have transformed this discourse into a toilet fight. Perhaps you are doing it determinately or maybe its your style but in consequence I found myself in the trap of a cheap street fight. In reply to my disciplined responses, you are consistently using a language of street hooligans.

I was astounded by the fact that Atheist enjoys killings of millions of Muslims who are after all human beings. I won’t be surprised if you say Hitler and Stalin are your much-loved stars.

But in doing so you are overlooking a simple point that you are representing Atheism. You are giving signs of rudeness, brutal, and insane character to a non-atheist like me who is not attacking your person and your faith. If Atheism is all about brutality, cruelty, harshness, and ruthlessness then you are doing an excellent job. If atheism is not about harshness then for peaceful atheists you and people like you are a bad news. Perhaps, you are proud to be violent but this way you are damaging image of your own atheism.

You are doing nothing but saying NO to anything and everything what I am saying. Every denial is the negation of an affirmative claim, and that means that an affirmation has been present to the mind.

Human actions are characteristically explained in terms of the beliefs (and the desires) of their agents. But sceptics have no beliefs. Hence sceptics cannot act. Hence, sceptics cannot live - the only good sceptic is a dead sceptic.
Harris

You know how I know when I have won a debate? When the opponent starts flinging poo instead of actual arguments. And that is precisely what you've been reduced to here.

Yes, it is my style to use confrontational and provocative language. That does not reduce the potency of my arguments. Anyone intent on a "healthy debate in an educated manner" would've considered it irrelevant. Which is precisely what theists, deists and agnostics I've debated with before have done.

As for your responses, they're anything but disciplined or educated. You like to vomit walls of text to obfuscate your arguments - but that doesn't work here. You resort to indignant and grandiose posturing to compensate for lack of counter-arguments - but that doesn't work here. Then you move on to ad-hominems, accusing your opponents of makign their arguments "by hook or by crook" - and even that doesn't work here. So, this is what you've been reduced to - using every negative stereotype associated with atheists and throwing them out there regardless of their actual applicability.

Allow me to disillusion you of them. No, I do not enjoy killings of millions of Muslims - but I do appreciate death of those who initiate violence. No, neither Hitler and Stalin would get anything but contempt from me because both of their ideologies are contradictory to mine - one was a Christian and the other a communist. No, I do not represent Atheism. Yes, I am rude - but I am neither brutal nor insane - given that I provide rational justification for all my positions and don't condone violence (unless you meant 'brutal' in the sense of being 'brutally honest', in which case- guilty as charged). Yes, I do believe that atheism is about facing harsh reality - but that is my personal view and not of all atheists. And no, my view does not mean that atheism is about "brutality, cruelty, harshness, and ruthlessness". I am doing more that saying NO to your claims - I've given sufficient reason for saying NO. And though I am most certainly not a skeptic (as the resident skeptics here would happily testify to) - it is still wrong to say that skeptics have no beliefs. And yes, by all means, try telling the resident skeptics here that "the only good skeptic is a dead skeptic" - I can't wait to see them tear you apart.

Here's a little but of disillusionment regarding your own arguments. Making a claim is not enough. If you cannot support your claim, then I don't need to do anything more that say NO to it. Its not my responsibility to go about disabusing you of whatever insane notion you might have. Since you have failed to prove your case, I have no reason to treat your Quran as anything other than what it is - ramblings of a delusional man with an over-exaggerated sense of self-importance. Your arguments have been no different that any of the other theists before you. As a matter of fact, if I so chose, I could've simply linked you to the relevant posts made in the past refuting whatever argument you make. Your posts have been anything but intelligent or educated - in fact, they seemed to have been borrowed straight out of the apologetic junkyard floating around the web. In this thread, I kept looking forward to Chad's and Benny's responses for a dose of intelligent conversation.