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Marxist Exploiters
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RE: Marxist Exploiters
Quote:History has shown that an authoritarian government does not lead to humane living conditions. Besides, couldn't Lenin have said that he was striving for exactly what you've described?
Well, I have pointed out that a "national" authoritarian government with national goals and visions must be in power. Lenin, being a communist, had international goals, and of course, a corresponding internationalist ideology behind it. Namely, communism. As you see, not even the authoritarianism was able to make it work.
However authoritarianism in this particular subject is about the control of the economy. This is how it works. People fuel the Capital. Capital fuels the economy. Economy serves the state, and the state serves the people.
The State is to ensure that the capital that fuels the economy will conform with whatever that is necessary for the people while also maintaining the integrity of capital. Indeed, this will be done by laws. However in a democratic system, lobbies, propaganda campaigns and fluctuation of power by the whims of the people who own capital(who also own the media) this is very hard. Often those who rise to important positions are not people who actually wish to serve the nation, but those who serve the capital, the self-interest aspect comes into play.
But in nationalistic authoritarian regimes, self-interest and egoism are unacceptable notions. Collectivism, and the prosperity of the nation are the top priority, instead of the prosperity of the individual.
You might say, doesn't the prosperity of the individual bring about the prosperity of the nation?
No, as in system that focuses on individuals rather than society, selfishness usually makes it impossible for people to actually view it in that particular frame. They usually do not care whether their individual prosperity is in any relation with society, and maintain the notion that it is them that make society prosperous, rather than that the view that society is the reason that they have managed to prosper. This unwarrented self-importance complex usually leads to extreme materialism and a general indifference to social injustice.
Mind you, this is not just an illness that befalls rich people. No, this befalls even the lowliest bum on the streets, the virus of selfishness.

An authoritarian government on the other hand is more effective in problem solving. They assess the situation, and go on to find a solution without any external meddling. For example, lets say in the USA. It is an established fact that the USA has a problem regarding health care.
The government including the citizens of the country are divided on how to solve it, some do not even accept that there is a problem. Mostly, the opposition is due to the fact that people hate to pay more taxes. However, the present and the future of a nation is not decided on the whims of individuals. Perhaps 100 years from now on, health care will be something that is out of the reach of a lot more people. Does a state that cares about its people disregard a nationally beneficial thing in favor of a selfish individual or even a collective of selfish individuals? In democracy, these things are subject to discussion, propaganda, and public manipulation by other self-interested factios.
An authoritarian state is a state that acts, it is not one that argues.
In such as state, confusion doesn't exist. Either something is done, or its not done. That is based on whether it is beneficial for the nation or not.

Of course we're speaking of authoritarianism as a part of a nationalist government, a government that is led by ideals, and of course, real, solid goals for the future of the nation.
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Marxist Exploiters - by Koolay - September 12, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Ryantology - September 13, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by My imaginary friend is GOD - September 12, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Captain Colostomy - September 13, 2013 at 12:47 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Cato - September 13, 2013 at 1:03 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Koolay - September 13, 2013 at 10:04 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by downbeatplumb - September 13, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Doubting Thomas - September 13, 2013 at 11:46 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Anomalocaris - September 13, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Faith No More - September 13, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Doubting Thomas - September 13, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by LastPoet - September 13, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 13, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Koolay - September 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 13, 2013 at 2:25 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Tonus - September 13, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Anomalocaris - September 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Crossless1 - September 13, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Doubting Thomas - September 13, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Crossless1 - September 13, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Doubting Thomas - September 13, 2013 at 3:32 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Tonus - September 14, 2013 at 7:32 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by bennyboy - September 13, 2013 at 11:55 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Walking Void - September 14, 2013 at 9:50 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Koolay - September 14, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by FlyingNarwhal - September 14, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by MindForgedManacle - September 14, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Koolay - September 15, 2013 at 10:32 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 16, 2013 at 4:05 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 15, 2013 at 7:16 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by downbeatplumb - September 15, 2013 at 7:23 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 15, 2013 at 7:32 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 15, 2013 at 2:51 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Koolay - September 15, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Captain Colostomy - September 15, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Koolay - September 15, 2013 at 7:26 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by kılıç_mehmet - September 15, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Faith No More - September 15, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by genkaus - September 15, 2013 at 7:28 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 15, 2013 at 3:01 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by kılıç_mehmet - September 15, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Angrboda - September 15, 2013 at 7:34 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Faith No More - September 15, 2013 at 10:42 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by genkaus - September 15, 2013 at 10:21 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by LastPoet - September 16, 2013 at 3:38 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Ryantology - September 15, 2013 at 10:46 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Koolay - September 17, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Ryantology - September 17, 2013 at 8:17 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Walking Void - September 17, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Tonus - September 18, 2013 at 10:35 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 17, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Kayenneh - September 17, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Kayenneh - September 17, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Something completely different - September 17, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Kayenneh - September 17, 2013 at 8:39 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Something completely different - September 17, 2013 at 8:50 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Kayenneh - September 18, 2013 at 4:38 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 7:22 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by genkaus - September 18, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 11:14 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by genkaus - September 18, 2013 at 12:58 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Koolay - September 20, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 21, 2013 at 5:30 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Tonus - September 18, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by DeistPaladin - September 18, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Faith No More - September 18, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Angrboda - September 18, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Faith No More - September 20, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 20, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by downbeatplumb - September 21, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by gilbertc06 - September 21, 2013 at 3:17 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Koolay - September 21, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by bennyboy - September 21, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by DeistPaladin - September 21, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Kayenneh - September 21, 2013 at 4:33 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 21, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by Koolay - September 22, 2013 at 9:43 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by bennyboy - September 22, 2013 at 11:22 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by gilbertc06 - September 22, 2013 at 2:04 am
RE: Marxist Exploiters - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 22, 2013 at 1:11 pm



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