About Jesus!

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We have not "established" any such thing. Wishful thinking or belief in fairy tales establishes nothing.

Before you can "establish" that jesus had "followers" you have to establish that he existed at all.

In the context of this debate, presuming Jesus was a real person, we did establish there was more than 12.

It is interesing you say that he may not have existed, this maybe true, or it may not be true. I am not a historian, therefore cannot answer this. However, I believe their is firm historical evidence that he did actually exist. I think Roman historiand were quite accurate.

But back to the topic, it seems none of the so called 'religious' members' feel the need for a debate, concerning this subject. oh well.

However, it seems that other members enjoy poor attempts at humor and have a team attitude towards shit stiring!!